Trying to work out a fast lvling build

Inaliel

Re: Trying to work out a fast lvling build

#11 by Inaliel

Don't use ls if you want max dps, because it's ALWAYS negative dps no matter how much dex you have. Go with somewhat balanced str/dex (3:2 either way) and use ss qs rip sneaky pw, in order of priority if you're not using hastes, and ss qs rip pw sneaky if on hastes.

Done deal.
This is completely incorrect regarding life steal, back before tower update I could hit 1.5-2k life steals on normal mobs and on mord/snorri due to no poison resist

I'd have to disagree. Even with zero poison resist, if you factor in the cast time and hit percentages my calculations come up with a negative overall dps as compared to just autos.

In extreme cases, LS can make a positive effect on dps, say, when the following apply:
• you have 1450 dex, lvl50 ls
• ls hits 70% of the time (not sure if this is realistic)
• you hit 70% if your autos, and your auto page damage is ~1800
• you are not hasted (just the 30% haste from ring or offhand)

And by then, your LS can make 8,727 extra damage in 15mins (compared to if you use the cast times to just auto). Compare this to 131,978 extra damage for ss @33% hit chance (!), or 58,261 for Sneaky @50% damage resist.

But then, your other skills will suffer.

So if you want a fast levelling build, and especially if you have a healer buffing and healing outside of group, ditch ls.

Last edited by Inaliel on Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:29 am, edited 1 time in total.

friddoo

Re: Trying to work out a fast lvling build

#12 by friddoo

Have you ever autod a boss? You do 20% of stat damage page if that, 30% if your decked out with divine shizz, so 1500-2000 damage beats autos of 300-500, especially considering you gain health back, while levelling it's about equal with your auto but you gain health back so it's still good for saving restos and really won't decrease levelling by much.

Once you hit tower drop lifesteal

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Inaliel

Re: Trying to work out a fast lvling build

#13 by Inaliel

Of course, my 3k page auto damage reduces to a measly 350-450 on Skain for example, or around 500-600 on Mordy (maybe not even that).

The thing is, are you considering lifesteal cast time and reload time? What about hit%? I'm sure if you do the calculations, you'd come to the same conclusion.

However, we digress. We are not talking about bosses, but levelling. To reiterate, even if you go full dex (300 str, 1450 dex), your sneaky will still do more damage than your ls over time. Same for double. Same for rend. Heck, same for wyldshrine strike. Thus, more helpful in fast levelling than ls.

saladin7

Re: Trying to work out a fast lvling build

#14 by saladin7

I read the guides, they were awesome.

I was 115 yesterday, had 2k buffed hp (outside druid buffing, healing,no dps) and the rest str. Used sneaky, ss, qs, riposte all maxed. In two sks (no other lixes) i got almost exactly a lvl on 120-125 boggans.

Today i killed the same spot, im lvl 116, same gear except i traded a regen ammy for a dmg one. I went dex build with 1.2k hp, 120 str (from gear), rest dex. Ss, qs, lifesteal, reflex rest in poison. Had outside high lvl ranger this time using light heal and finishing kills for me. This time i got 8 reds in 2 sks, maybe slightly under.

I'm using the wrong skills, right? Maybe i should trade poison for riposte? I was trying for a more self sufficient build, but i dont wanna lvl slower. How can i make my dex build into an equal or better build than my str build was one lvl ago?

Health and energy were not an issue in both cases. With str i made better use of riposte, with dex i didnt. Maybe that's it? Is it feasable to riposte a few mobs at a time in the levels ahead, or am I better just sticking to straight 1vs1?

I think you just answered ur question urself.
Case 1 115,4 dps skills max on full str,3 of which are str,1 lvl per lix
Case 2 116,so less dmg penalty and still got less xp even with outside kill,but used ls n reflex....those arent skills that get u more xp those are skills that helps u save restos n idols. You cant have a build that gives max dps and max survivability.
Id suggest go hybrid with dex 2 times the str, max ss qs sneaky,riposte and poison weapon.
Use riposte on 2-3 mobs aggroing and NOT 1v1.

Once u get higher boggan caves u might wanna ditch poison for LS,coz in this particular case,boggans are closely packed and u might not have time to stop n cast buffs,gets interrupted or die more when 3 or more mobs jump u,making buff waste.LS also helps ur 'self sufficient' facet of ur build at cost of dps and if it gets evaded,*gulp*.

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Toothpick

Re: Trying to work out a fast lvling build

#15 by Toothpick

What friddo is saying is that back before tower his ls did that much. Back then lures and divine dmg was much much less, autos being around 400-500 on average at mord etc. back then it was a very large dps gain on mord, who almost never evaded ls, now its not as good with edl/edl offhand/mages upgraded lures cause of new gear.

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