Celtic Heroes

Awesome i like you gave it an attempt but I will disagree. Ss is easily the most evaded skill a rogue has. This is fact. And actually a skill i didnt wanna bring it bcuz its a huge exception to the rule. In grinding i will agree a royal ss will be welded to my ring permanently. Its unresisted and it goes up in scale much faster than the other skills its op imo but different topic.

Back to your numbers. Skip ss as before mentioned and try another one which i just did prior to you. You also did not add in the fact the dmg ring gives bonus to sneaky and double. And you also didn't account for ss not being 10 seconds. Qs is 10 and as is 12. So 5 casts not 6. But again imo ss is the only exception to the rule i will say that bit in bosses it's heavily evaded.

Also as mentioned a 50 dmg ring wont but a 60 dmg ring will give you 4980 beating the ss ring in this. However ss like i said is a huge exception and imo very unpredictable but I will give you that. In priority is take the ss ring over dmg ring unless its godly (if it were seriously possible to have 4 godlys on 1 toon lol). This is honestly gonna be limited to your gear available. A dmg ring of 50 or higher will be better than a royal anything beside ss. But with mord rings it changes again and then the skill ring will most likely be higher. I guess comparing an outdated skill ring is unfair too but still id take a dmg ring over a royal skill ring for the above dmg unless ofcourse its a ss.

The problem is there are many other exceptions but we have been ignoring them to make things easier. For example on any dl boss and above ur likely to hit less then half the time at the same time ur damage is cut by more then 75%. If we look at skill hits they are more likely to land but are still subjected to the same resist.

Ill give u ss was an exception but we are talking about a rogue and ss is apart of the skills. If bosses didnt dodge auto as much as they do auto builds would win but because auto misses and skills hit generally hit more often more rogues to for hybrid skill builds.

In the end its going to be ur own personal choice all i can suggest is for u to compet with another equally geared rogue who goes for a skill build a good test would be a glad close to ur lvl. I'll tell you my experience in every case i tested during beta on a glad i never once beat a skill rogue with an auto rogue. This test has since been carried to actual boss fights and in every case the skill hybrid build rogue wins.

Many ppl like seeing their high auto and may choose to ignore the skills feeling they dont add as much but for the most part skills have been shown to win in actual fights. Again its going to be ur personal opinion in the end but opinion wont beat actual data from real fights at the end of the day.

Soul you are 100% wrong about qs and shadow
You are the only rogue here who thinks they interrupt auto and honestly i feel bad for anyone who listens to the bunk you claim is fact when you do not factor the random elements of the game in

Skill rogues ALWAYS beat melee rogues

Want to know who gets every mordy kill in my clan? Whichever rogue casts rondel first. Its a guarantee unless the group wipes on inferno and then tank gets kill.

I guess you still dont grasp a single thing. Its easy look at my video the double number is not there and neither is a single tell me where it went... Simple as that. You've still yet to explain a single thing besides the same useless thing.

You've not gotten a single mord kill last i knew mortal has gotten most last i knew. Second, rondel is a completely different subject. Prove my numbers wrong. You've factored in a huge string of things by bringing a entire character and everyone of them is a completely different build with a different pieces of gear. Prove to me a dmg ring does less dmg than a skill ring.

no, i have not as i do not have rondel yet, irrelevant
first cast of rondel gets kill


i am not talking about +5 skill rings fyi, i would never equip one under +8
that said, i am an all skills rogue and except mordy and hru, i can consistently get kills over the rogues with rondel

I agree with you yiley there are many variables most of which I tried to account for. Honestly i think a mix of skill + dmg ring would be best.. If! The skill is like a +6 or higher mord ring with equivalent dmg skills. I guess in theory you could get 4 skill rings. Assuming all +8 with 2 sets. Your at 64 + 10 from dl set (sneak/qs.) and just throw out lvl 190 so 190 points. 190 + 64 + 10 = 264 skill points. With that you could very max all 5 rogue skills. Sneaky qs ss assasinate double. This imo would be a beastly build. Although you would need some massive regen for it but like i said you would destroy anything. Either way a godly or imperial hrung ring drops and I'm on.. It's mine lol

I agree with you yiley there are many variables most of which I tried to account for. Honestly i think a mix of skill + dmg ring would be best.. If! The skill is like a +6 or higher mord ring with equivalent dmg skills. I guess in theory you could get 4 skill rings. Assuming all +8 with 2 sets. Your at 64 + 10 from dl set (sneak/qs.) and just throw out lvl 190 so 190 points. 190 + 64 + 10 = 264 skill points. With that you could very max all 5 rogue skills. Sneaky qs ss assasinate double. This imo would be a beastly build. Although you would need some massive regen for it but like i said you would destroy anything. Either way a godly or imperial hrung ring drops and I'm on.. It's mine lol

i was only talking in +8/9/10 skill rings all along if you go back to my first post

also im not sure what happened in your video.... i tested this myself numerous times just now and with both qs and shadow the number popped up a couple seconds later




retest it yourself again

I recreated it twice. I know how to do it. You aren't doing it right is all. When u swing is when u cast qs and it will disrupt it. It is the only time it will do it and a very specific time but still potentially there.

That moment when another class comments on your class and presumes to know everything when they in fact know nothing...

The fact you dont know my toons and lvls and make a comment like this.. Sad display of jealousy from a clan thats dead.

A person can be... Annoying... no matter what clan they are in, such is your case. I have played a high level ranger but you don't see me sprouting nonsense on the ranger forums because I know I have not played and been passionate about the ranger class for months. The same principle applies here.

You, primarily a ranger, are fighting against a majority of rogues who have months if not years more experience of playing a rogue than you. Do not expect to win.

Might I add for others, this is exactly how casters feel when melee comment on our issues. Just to put things in to perspective, lol.