Celtic Heroes

Nah man warriors rock. This update has been awesome to us. 5 str, 1600 damage and 7100 vit dressed as dps nearly 10 dressed as tank. Undefeated in pvp since going full vit. I think as dps warriors are very middle of the road but overall they are the best toon.

What are your rings to get 1600 dmg with 5 str? With full DL and about 180 str, and 2 aggy 50 dmg rings, ancient wyrm sword and axe I am only hitting 1350 dmg. I am not doubting you but would like to know. Thanks in advance.
d5

im hitting 1.8k in full dl with just 5 str before dl sword i had 1.6-1.7k. 3-4 ggy rings, 1 damage charm, damage ammy, bracelets depended now i use a hrung damage and a str aggy bracelet.

@op personally my biggest problem is that warriors have no where to stand in the damage area. ppl say well warriors have good damage and things like that but dont realize while we may have decent damage we are dead last in damage. Im fine with not having being great dps but when u dont even have the biggest autos anymore it starts to go down hill imo. For me i feel warriors should have the hardest melee while being slowest if u match full dl of a warrior to any other class we should hit the hardest with equal str bare in mind im not saying best dps just hardest melee. With dl giving 450 heat to rogues and rangers us warriors cant even compete anymore sure some warriors may hit harder then a ranger or rogue but realize this if both players had equal gear it would be impossible. The only way a warrior hits harder with equal melee is using unequal gear like a ymir hammer compared to a rogue dl dagger.

Everything that adds damage to warriors auto also adds it to any other class as they arent class restricted like aggy rings, damage ammy, or lux off hands all of these are equal for each class making what ever boost a warrior gets the same for another class. As it is now a warrior in full dl and a rogue in full dl with both their main hands and off hands ( lux also) a warrior will hit less then the rogue with equal gear and str. while some may not believe this i have already tested it out and every time a warrior is behind a rogues damage by about 200 even more behind compared to a ranger as their bow deals more damage and they get 450 heat.

In beta we argued this and asked for some added damage on warriors armor and we gave them several good reasons. The first and major reason was that with bosses only needing 1-2 tanks per fight warriors second option: dps is more common then tanking out of 10 warriors only 2-4 would need to be set up to tank the rest would be dps. This should mean our dps option shouldnt be over looked just because we have a perfect build option. The other reason shorta silly imo but still valid is this all classes get armor so why dont warrior get some damage? we dont see any class getting a ton of damage on their armor at the cost of armor but warriors get armor at the cost of the damage. In beta surprisingly no other tester was against warriors getting damage on our armor we didnt ask for equal damage we just wanted some damage but otm decided to give us none.

So now a warriors damage cant even match any other classes so if ur a dps warrior u may as well make another class no point being on the bottom when any other class would make a better fit. imo each class should have something about their damage thats different: warriors being slow but heavy hitters, rangers completely balanced but ranged, and rogues fast but weak. This was my main problem with warriors that extra 450 heat damage and 0 for warriors completely off balanced the game again as did the introduction of heavy elemental weapons.

I have four 182 toons (druid, mage, ranger and warrior). I usually quad log, recently with five by adding in a 2nd druid for fun. Although I enjoy the massive dps hits of the mage, auto on the ranger (too many screens for skills) and healing group with druids, I always default to my main as the warrior. Something about being able to walk into a fight, take aggro and take control of the situation can only be done as a warrior.
Scorch

Lol, I've got 1.3k Damage with my Onyx Pike. I'm not autoing with it, only skill spamming with it. It's gonna last indefinitely.

@Yilley

I have made 1-2 threads on warriors regarding damage but not necessarily dps. I totally agree with you on highest but slowest hits. Of coarse I would like to keep the fast but weaker option but blunt weapons shouldn't be the only high hitting weapons! Two handed weapons need a major buff imo..

About dl armour and damage, I personally don't mind the armour and defense over damage. In fact, I like it a lot as a tank though I do understand there are many dps warriors out there. I don't think OTM wants us warriors to compete with the other classes; just enough dps to get by and then the rest to your defenses. We are however given more variety as a class, giving us the option to use a different weapon of the same grade and tier for a build and gear setup that suits us individually.

All in all, I'm happy with the class but I do think there could be some improvement without creating an imbalance.

I would agree with u blaze but my problem is that our armor hasnt really changed at all. Sure we have more then the other classes but it has been going up at the same constient rate as all quest armors have been. Rogues still have 2/3rds the armor warriors do as did they with frozen. So we didnt get more armor we just kept the same ratio between classes but they get 450 damage which is completely new.

If we got the trade off of even more armor to compensate for the new damage then there could be split points of view for me but we didnt. the armor ratio between classes stayed the same but the damage added was completely new. If rogues have 2/3rds our armor we should have 2/3rds their damage thats just my views personally i dont like how the dl armor made warriors have the weakest auto. 450 extra damage cant really be beat without our sword becoming op.

For me i tend to look at problems as a non tank would majority of warriors arent going to be tanking for their clan so dps is the only role for them. Ik in my clan at a boss we only every use 1 tank 2 tops depending who we have at the fight. We also have another 2-4 other warriors who show up to the fight the only option for these warriors are to dps. As it seems now for majority of the warrior population they would be dps making that the main role for most warriors. Because of this i feel our damage aspect shouldnt be over looked just because we make the perfect tank. We should be able to deal heavy damage even if the cd is long on the skill or our autos are slowest.

a bit of a side thing but how does OTM figure a bow should have the strongest damage in the game out of quest gear? A sword should be much stronger as it is in every mmo game ive ever played the advantage to bows was the range factor.

Well we get defense instead of heat damage plus 150 divine damage which I'm assuming is part of the 450 from the other two classes. However, I do see your concern with the armour for the non-tanks.

But also, look at the big picture here. Why not ask for damage instead of armour? Obviously because we are meant to be defensive. OTM just focused the armour toward our main role. Are we practical on number? Not so much on those easy bosses. Are we balanced with the other classes? I'd say we're pretty damn close to balanced.

But one class has to be last in place for dps and druids kind of need the dps. What's left is us warriors. We arn't bad, we're just not great either (regarding dps ofc).

No other melee classes get 450 extra heat damage and another 150 divine damage from a full set bonus so 600 in total.

As i said i dont really mind being last in dps if we kept the hardest hitting melee. Until dl armor warriors has had the highest melee out of the three classes with quest gear and a lux off hand. with our dl sword only having 40 more slash damage and the other classes get 450 heat damage its not possible to match the damage they gain. The only thing we got was 800 defense while they get 450 heat damage the armor still remains the same ratio as all armors.

I just feel that the extra heat damage to only 2 melee classes unbalanced the game to much as did the introduction of golden blades last update. Before physical damaged was the most with elemental adding minor amounts. Now players can go without any str because str adds very little compared to elemental damage. Ik many who dont have any str yet still have 1.6-2k damage due to heavy elemental gear. Warriors main role as a tank is perfect imo but our role melee damage is imo, just some tweaks should be made.

Nah man warriors rock. This update has been awesome to us. 5 str, 1600 damage and 7100 vit dressed as dps nearly 10 dressed as tank. Undefeated in pvp since going full vit. I think as dps warriors are very middle of the road but overall they are the best toon.

What are your rings to get 1600 dmg with 5 str? With full DL and about 180 str, and 2 aggy 50 dmg rings, ancient wyrm sword and axe I am only hitting 1350 dmg. I am not doubting you but would like to know. Thanks in advance.
d5

hes prob using some big wep

anyway, im lvl 161 (almost 162, i dont lvl much)
what im using is hybrid with high vit but full dps skills
i'll post my build soon to try and help

at lvl 161, i outdpsed a lvl 182 mage, lvl 177 ranger, lvl 183 ranger, lvl 181 rogue, lvl 165 rogue, lvl 173 warrior, lvl 192 warrior, and to outdps the others i need to group them on bosses that arent sreng or snorri :S

As a matter of speaking in epona mages if they have a pure pvp build they can kill any warrior easily, 9k dmg to same lvl opponent is instant death for most warriors, it's freeze then lure firestorm fire boot ice shards, but if a Mage has other builds most likely warrior wins in most cases.

Jawbone is probably using a Champion Helm, Conquering Axe (or whatever the 150 one is called), and an Annihilation Ammy, as well as some Hrungnir Damage Rings, and probably an Ancient Wyrmbone Spear/Axe/Hammer.

alot of good stuff has been said. Something on elemental vers physical damage if you will. True before more people were focused on physical than with blades coming in they started moving to elemental. and now alot of people are moving to stacing elemental damage. This is very good for hybrid tanks. Its realy a pain in the but not to be able to kill stuff because your dps is too low. What ends up happening is the the tanks that cant damage, says f this and either goes dps or hybrid thus losing a pure tank.

As far as for lvling is concerned, I think warriors should stick with using physical damage. If you consider the damage you get from using two handed weapons, the damage you get with having the strength is actually more than youll get than by buying lux which your going to have to pay alot of gold for. Maybe at lvl 180 you could consider going pure tank or hybrid but I think the best hybrid build overall is when you have pretty much all the stuff you need to twink. i.e godly damage rings, 150 axe, and so on.
Going hybrid over pure dps/tank in general is the way to go once you have the items. as you can start to rely on auto attack again,focus skills on survivability.

My 161 warrior uses 2hand mallet usually stated for pure dps because i duel log my druid. but when I feel like going hybrid (maxed enduring guard, maxed defensive formation,maxed rupture, lvled dbl and shatter) i still get the 1800+ damage without frenzy. ( remember i duel log my druid who has a 47 wind and a 42 bless. I usually don't even get hit at all.....resources!!!!)

If i Didnt have a druid id most definitely would have to stat up protective stance, would prob drop defense formation.. id hate to think about it........ How many times have you seen boggans using plummel, giant swing, quickstrike... pretty pointless to have enduring guard stated up then if your focusing on solo lvling right ?

At the end its all comes down to what we already know. The best setup is the setup that works for your playing style, goals, mission at hand and RESOURCES!!!.

Never look to another persons setup without considering his gear, resources, what mobs he kills and their attack types and so on.