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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#71
Set for gele with 8k hp (not full strength) I can get 8k attack, 3.3k dmg, 6.4k rupture, just today I got kill on 200 edl against 3 220 rogues, with a super haste an no energy. Tell me again how my build is not good
No one said your build was bad. Mamba said good luck getting kills on mord and necro with low attack.

There are a couple truths though -
There's no such thing as a rupture build. Rupture is simply a skill.

The poison dagger will typically provide better dps than the slash axe.

No one is saying don't play how you want but saying the slash axe is always better dps when numerous warriors stats would indicate other wise proves this is not true.

And getting a kill on an edl boss every once in awhile is not the best indication that your dps is superior to others
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#72
That's pretty nice, the only way we could directly compare axe vs dagger is by using exactly same weaps/ jewelry, exactly same vit/str etc, but that's something for me to aim for :p
Thund3rstruck- 225 DG Warrior
St0rm- 215 Druid
Bowz- 215 Ranger
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#73
I simply used the phrase 'rupture build' to differentiate between usin rupture an blunt, as opposed to usin spear an not rupture. A poor choice of words admittedly
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St0rm- 215 Druid
Bowz- 215 Ranger
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#74
What I meant by 'rupture build' not being smartest is the sacrifice of auto for the sake of Rupture. Rupture is great source of dps, from the DoT dmg and not the intial dmg, so ur highest rupture dmg is pointless (Idc much for mine, my blunt is 1400 and I still think it does 7k+ dmg) rather than the DoT dmg.

Ive set myself for gele once, had 3341 dmg with shield equipped (dl shield, dont have edl, would be 3491 otherwise), 13250 hp, dont remember how much attack (I have 7.4k attack unelixed at 1.6k str, and with all str additions from gear I guess it wont be decreased much going to full vit), and I dont recall skill dmg.

Normally I run 4088 dmg, 7400 attack (9200 elixed, 10.5k elixed+potted, I dont use reaper) and 6.5k hp (dog is lvl 1, would be at higher lvl, adds 100 hp compared to 1000 hp from lvl 6 dog). My dmg decreased from 4131 to 4088 changing from skain set with gara charm (bladeleaf) to valour neck, stormleaf charm (skain one) and royal necro ring (spears). I use void str spear.

My arsenal of kills is 1 hrung kill, 5-6 skain kills, 1 smolach (original one) kill, 6 mordy kills, 2 necro kills, 1 proteus base kill, countless edl main kills (215 prob most kills, we stopped killing 185, 190, 195 and 200 edls) and many others I dont recall. I always count the kill while doing adds (I may have gotten 7 mordy kills for example but only counted 6 Ive done adds at, but I always do adds unless Im afk then Idc for my kill), because the raid matters as a whole.

Anyway, every build to his own, but warrior cant be based on skills like rogue, its between ranger to rogue.
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#75
My warrior has 2-3 mord kills at level 200, against 225+ edl rondels and quivers. Only used like 5 times tho, so would be over 10 if I used every time. About 11k attack on pot and 3900 dmg. Lotta room for improvement with an edl set, 45 skill cap at lvl 210 (for better frenzy buff), and divine dmg ring. Unfortunately I no longer use, and swapped my skain blood set for gara. Will attempt to get boss kills with a 190 rogue now instead lol
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#76
It's all nice an interesting but non of this is truly relevant to dagger vs axe, because if one is better than the other, the difference is not going to be hugely significant like 1000 extra melee damage
Thund3rstruck- 225 DG Warrior
St0rm- 215 Druid
Bowz- 215 Ranger
Wolfgang

Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#77
It's all nice an interesting but non of this is truly relevant to dagger vs axe, because if one is better than the other, the difference is not going to be hugely significant like 1000 extra melee damage
The axe gives 120 str 120 vit and 40 slashing dmg. Taking a factor of 10(example) it's 400 slash dmg and 120 str, vit is a bonus that's all. 400+60(dmg from str) dmg added to auto. The dagger has 120 poison dmg, 40 pierce and 120 dex. That's again 400+120 dmg addee to auto, and 120 attack from dex, before adding in frenzy. So the dagger offers bit more auto dps than the axe, losing 120 str boost to rupture and pummel and extra vit. And ofc u wud need a high slash ward always to get out of it most. And auto dps is the best way of dps, if another warrior laps ur rupture whacha gonna do?.

Offhand choice depends on the boss rly, dagger isn't the be all end all offhand. For the current event boss, ice axe is the best offhand, as is for crag/rev. Heat axe for gron, ilfryn(who kills these pos anyway). Dagger obv shud be for mord, hrung dl. Idk about gelebron but it has a very high pierce and elemental resists and does resist poison rather decently. The elemental axe might be best for dps on him only coz of 350 attack (or maybe edl shield coz 200 divine if enough attack already o.o)
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#78
My warrior has 2-3 mord kills at level 200, against 225+ edl rondels and quivers. Only used like 5 times tho, so would be over 10 if I used every time. About 11k attack on pot and 3900 dmg. Lotta room for improvement with an edl set, 45 skill cap at lvl 210 (for better frenzy buff), and divine dmg ring. Unfortunately I no longer use, and swapped my skain blood set for gara. Will attempt to get boss kills with a 190 rogue now instead lol
That is amazing, those rogues/rangers need to oomph their dps abit no offense to u but you know what I mean.
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#79
It's all nice an interesting but non of this is truly relevant to dagger vs axe, because if one is better than the other, the difference is not going to be hugely significant like 1000 extra melee damage
The axe gives 120 str 120 vit and 40 slashing dmg. Taking a factor of 10(example) it's 400 slash dmg and 120 str, vit is a bonus that's all. 400+60(dmg from str) dmg added to auto. The dagger has 120 poison dmg, 40 pierce and 120 dex. That's again 400+120 dmg addee to auto, and 120 attack from dex, before adding in frenzy. So the dagger offers bit more auto dps than the axe, losing 120 str boost to rupture and pummel and extra vit. And ofc u wud need a high slash ward always to get out of it most. And auto dps is the best way of dps, if another warrior laps ur rupture whacha gonna do?.

Offhand choice depends on the boss rly, dagger isn't the be all end all offhand. For the current event boss, ice axe is the best offhand, as is for crag/rev. Heat axe for gron, ilfryn(who kills these pos anyway). Dagger obv shud be for mord, hrung dl. Idk about gelebron but it has a very high pierce and elemental resists and does resist poison rather decently. The elemental axe might be best for dps on him only coz of 350 attack (or maybe edl shield coz 200 divine if enough attack already o.o)
All bosses have diff resists but tbh is anyone going to buy one of each offhand to use? Most I believe just pick the one that seems to be best dps overall for them

And Gelebron doesn't matter as most warriors are using a shield to offtank or bash ;)
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Re: Dagger Vs. Axe

#80
It's all nice an interesting but non of this is truly relevant to dagger vs axe, because if one is better than the other, the difference is not going to be hugely significant like 1000 extra melee damage
The axe gives 120 str 120 vit and 40 slashing dmg. Taking a factor of 10(example) it's 400 slash dmg and 120 str, vit is a bonus that's all. 400+60(dmg from str) dmg added to auto. The dagger has 120 poison dmg, 40 pierce and 120 dex. That's again 400+120 dmg addee to auto, and 120 attack from dex, before adding in frenzy. So the dagger offers bit more auto dps than the axe, losing 120 str boost to rupture and pummel and extra vit. And ofc u wud need a high slash ward always to get out of it most. And auto dps is the best way of dps, if another warrior laps ur rupture whacha gonna do?.

Offhand choice depends on the boss rly, dagger isn't the be all end all offhand. For the current event boss, ice axe is the best offhand, as is for crag/rev. Heat axe for gron, ilfryn(who kills these pos anyway). Dagger obv shud be for mord, hrung dl. Idk about gelebron but it has a very high pierce and elemental resists and does resist poison rather decently. The elemental axe might be best for dps on him only coz of 350 attack (or maybe edl shield coz 200 divine if enough attack already o.o)
All bosses have diff resists but tbh is anyone going to buy one of each offhand to use? Most I believe just pick the one that seems to be best dps overall for them

And Gelebron doesn't matter as most warriors are using a shield to offtank or bash ;)
Yeah thought so most wud be bashing so edl shield is best there. Being a dpswhore I like to have options for every type of bosses chaos n non chaos xD
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