Celtic Heroes

Warcry... You know what happens when I see 3-4 mobs attacking 1 person... I use firestorm, which hits all enemies and pulls all enemies that the one person hasn't damaged... Then I proceed to tank the 3 mobs at once... Any more brain busters?

Warcry... You know what happens when I see 3-4 mobs attacking 1 person... I use firestorm, which hits all enemies and pulls all enemies that the one person hasn't damaged... Then I proceed to tank the 3 mobs at once... Any more brain busters?

Dps is not crowd control.

All of my points on tanks are to help the group. All. Taunt and Warcry are the only crowd control skills in the game and pure support. While soloing those, and to a lesser extent are useless. Bash has to be maxed. Taunt and Cry need a goodly amount of points if you dont want chaos. Tanks are a support class if thought about from the very common single dps toon as the only 'non support' class. My (neglected) rogue has max smoke and is h2h for interrupts.

From a grouping point of view all dps is just support as well. They cannot survive and kill bosses. They cannot survive multiple mobs. They can kill one mob at a time within a couple of levels of their own, maybe up to 3 stars. Woo hoo... My tank and Druid can survive many bosses, but not kill them in any reasonable amount of time. Add a Mage and they can. Add rogue/ranger and the mobs die quick ish. The whole 'support' conversation, as it is, is a red herring, IMO.

Q F T !

All valid points. In MMOs, all classes are technically "support," designed to complement the strengths/weaknesses of other group members. At the same time, we can all wish to be stonger at something that another class is better at (Mages want more dps, Rangers want spear skills, Rogues want throwing daggers, etc.). Yet we still we are left to evaluate the skills available to us and learn to play within the parameters provided.

The part I got hung up on is the a fact that a Mage can acknowlege that they are lacking offensive skills, yet still refuse to consider casting cloak on a warrior, or casting a pierce lure that multiplies the damage dealt when grouped with a couple rangers or rogues.

Mages in fact are quite versatile. The dilemma is that a single Mage cannot possibly provide all the benefits available to them. Thus the value of grouping. It benefits a group/clan to have a Mage that specializes in say Fire and Pierce lures, where another may specialize in Ice and Slash lures. Just like it benefits a group/clan to have different Rogues with different maxed skills like Smoke, Rend, and Poison... otherwise they all just overlay and cancel each others' spells.

Any more brain busters?

Explain to me how you're going to tank and fireball and firestorm the Lavalord to death?

How this became a grouping topic I have no idea but the original post was ment to show that 3 of the 5 classes benefit from the items that were introduced for the summer event.
And not just a little benefit if using full radiant it's resiculous how much bonus damage and just all around stats they have.
I understand everyone wants to comment on their own little gongs but this topic is simply about how no items are in the game for Druids or mages that are equivalent to the ones that are in the game now for rangers warriors and rouges.
I don't care about your support spells yaddie yadda yadda because guess what this post isn't about them!

SO ONCE AGAIN FOR YOU IDIOTS OUT THERE NO ITEMS ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR MAGE OR DRUIDS THAY CAN'T BE BOUGHT BY ALL OTHER CLASSES. BEING A SUPPORT MAGE OR DRUID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LACK OF ITEMS TO HELP BUFF A MAGES OR DRUIDS PERFORMANCE LIKE GLOVES OF HASTE FOR EXAMPLE. SO IF ANY MORE IDIOTS WANT TO MAKE A POST ABOUT BEING SUPPORT MAKE YOUR OWN TOPIC AND TROLL IT BECAUSE IN THIS TOPIC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW ITEMS THAT ARE BEING ADDED ARE FOR PEOPLE THAT AUTO ATTACK AND MAGES AND DRUIDS AUTO ATTACK FOR 40 SO WE NEED AN ITEM TO BOOST OUR SKILLS TO COMPENSATE FOR THE OTER CLASSES THAT CAN NOW DO 500+ AUTO DAMAGE AND STILL CAST SKILLS ON TOP OF IT.

Monkeynuts!

I don't know what q f t means lol sorry.

My ranger has 70 points allocated to pure support ( light heal and spikes ) and all 4 ring slots are primarily used for support as well as 1 of my bracelet slots , I could also consider bolas a support skill, I guess only sharpshot and steady aim are my selfish pleasures

Honestly if you want to solo , play ranger , as in all mmorpgs there is always one or two classes that solo better than the rest. You do sound like you would make a good ranger , maybe the group dynamic is just not the thing for you , to each his own.

it sounds like you've built yourself solely for the purpose of soloing and not benefitting a group in any way.

If you're just casting Fireballs and Iceshards and slapping mobs with your wand and trying to get the kill yourself each time, rather than helping the overall benefits of a group, I have to say it seems like you're missing out on some key aspects of how to best utilize a mage. I wish you good luck, but I also see an lonely and unfulfilling road ahead for you.

Valid point, but sometimes we Mages would enjoy a drop or two. In a support role I've never gotten a drop, and I haven't the time nor inclination to beg for one. The game quickly becomes unenjoyable when it seems your sole purpose is to make sure someone else enjoys the spoils of war. We are just asking for a bit of parity. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think i saw admin post on another topic that skill cast time cannot be reduced by item equips at the moment because of the engine the game is running on needs updating first, ill have to dig through my posts and find it for you.

If that is the case, I'm at least happy that admin has acknowledged the issue.

BONUS EXPLANATION FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE AS DUMB AS ROCKS:

Before summer event
Mages
Auto: 50 dmg
Firebolt: 750 dmg
Ice shards: 1250 dmg

Warriors
Auto: 500
Pummle: 750
Giants swing: 1250

NOW IT'S SUMMER EVENT AND ALL THE RADIANT ARMORES OUT

Mage
Auto: 250 (full radiant)
Fire bolt: 750
Ice shards: 1250

Warriors:
Auto: 800+ (full radiant)
Pummle: 750
Giants swing: 1250
(not to mention all the +'s to atk def health energy ect)

If you still don't see how the items are for the 3 classes that use auto I don't know what else I can do to help you. Adding 500 dmg to a Mage who most likely will have either nothing or next to nothing in str is a waste and not needed which is why the items that were released are for high auto attackers only.

How this became a grouping topic I have no idea but the original post was ment to show that 3 of the 5 classes benefit from the items that were introduced for the summer event.
And not just a little benefit if using full radiant it's resiculous how much bonus damage and just all around stats they have.
I understand everyone wants to comment on their own little gongs but this topic is simply about how no items are in the game for Druids or mages that are equivalent to the ones that are in the game now for rangers warriors and rouges.
I don't care about your support spells yaddie yadda yadda because guess what this post isn't about them!

SO ONCE AGAIN FOR YOU IDIOTS OUT THERE NO ITEMS ARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR MAGE OR DRUIDS THAY CAN'T BE BOUGHT BY ALL OTHER CLASSES. BEING A SUPPORT MAGE OR DRUID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LACK OF ITEMS TO HELP BUFF A MAGES OR DRUIDS PERFORMANCE LIKE GLOVES OF HASTE FOR EXAMPLE. SO IF ANY MORE IDIOTS WANT TO MAKE A POST ABOUT BEING SUPPORT MAKE YOUR OWN TOPIC AND TROLL IT BECAUSE IN THIS TOPIC WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW ITEMS THAT ARE BEING ADDED ARE FOR PEOPLE THAT AUTO ATTACK AND MAGES AND DRUIDS AUTO ATTACK FOR 40 SO WE NEED AN ITEM TO BOOST OUR SKILLS TO COMPENSATE FOR THE OTER CLASSES THAT CAN NOW DO 500+ AUTO DAMAGE AND STILL CAST SKILLS ON TOP OF IT.

Both Twoforflinching and I agreed with you that mages and Druids should get new items, lol. The point I was trying to make is that since your class is a support class, it would be good if there were items that allowed you to solo. But what you are looking for is for otm to return your class to a dps class, not to embrace the class as is and better it with new items. Actually I think your caps lock tangent and probably the three posts before that belong in a different thread lol.