Celtic Heroes

Can't really say your post has much merit Nighthawk. You're the same guy who makes a thread in the GENERAL DISCUSSION forum of all places when you see people arguing in the Morrigan castle. Guess what, it happens on all servers, block the people shouting nonsense and move on. Don't make a thread on it in the general discussion forum of all places begging people to stop, it makes Morrigan look stupid.

that had nothing to do with this thread. That was a personal shot at me. That is exactly what keeps hostilities going. I could just as easily take a personal shot at you, and we would get no where. Thanks a lot.

Had everything to do with this thread AND your post. It's not a 'personal shot' at you. It's criticism of your posts. It shows you've got a history of making posts trying to stop the inevitable. You made a thread in the General Discussion forum because you saw people 'bullying' or arguing with someone in the castle. You were disappointed that nobody besides yourself tried to stop the arguing or 'bullying', so you make a thread telling people to do something about it.

Here's my point, I said it in that thread, nobody tried to stop the arguing because it's something you can't stop. I can't stop people from spam shouting or arguing, regardless of the topic. I can stop it from going on my screen, I can block them, just as I'm sure everyone else in the castle did that day. Simple as that. You're wasting your time trying to stop arguing and you're wasting everyone else's time who read that thread. You had 7 posts in that whole thread, 3 of them yours, three morrigan posts, only one non-morrigan post was in that General Discussion thread and they said the same thing I did "There will always be bullying and swearing And all everywhere. " You don't have to tell us how to deal with it, we already deal with it in game. Pointless thread.

Your post here is trying to stop people from not liking Skull or Golg. It's the same as people arguing in game. It's inevitable. For you guys it's worse because of how Skull built his and Golgatha's reputation to be. A negative one. Not saying you can't change ones reputation but it starts with action not talk. How can we read your post without bias when you make a biased post? You're in Golgatha. Had this come from a legit outside player (a 1 post new forum member doesn't count either), we can take it without bias. But your post is the same thing all Golgatha members say trying to defend your clan. It's simply talk that doesn't match action. Until you can change the majority of Morrigan's minds on Golgatha's reputation (not sure this is possible), through the majority of your clans ACTIONS, not just TALK, then your post is without merit and is pointless. Stop talking to us, start talking to your clan and change the way they act. When a majority of your clan is viewed a certain way because of the majority of their actions, a post like yours is pointless.

It's inevitable clans are going to argue back and forth, especially with Golg, and yes we will continue to relish seeing you guys level up and not kill legit game bosses. Want to stop both? Stop talking start acting, start killing legit game bosses.

All clans will have their fighting and bickering between each other. It dies down, comes up again later. Just part of the game. The reason Skull is treated the way he is, is because of how he's treated others. He may have decided to lay off on how much of an *** he's being, but all characters in this game are judged by what they've done in the past. It's a stigma that sticks with you. We know what he's done in the past, we know how much money he's spent in the game, this is EXACTLY why people give him crap. He gave crap to others when spending money allowed him to do so. Now that you can't buy your way to winning, you can't idol kill bosses anymore, people give him crap in return. It's great knowing how much he's invested in the game and he can't kill a game boss to save his wallet. It's pathetic on Golgatha's part, but awesome for the rest of Morrigan.

And basically that boils down to "we're jerks to him cuz hes a jerk to us(which he does because we're jerks, but we're only jerks because hes a jerk)" It goes on forever, with everybody pointing the finger at the other person.

See above.

And if you're riding with someone like that (which I don't know why you'd want to be in a clan that gives you a bad rep and can't kill bosses that count), don't be surprised when you catch flack as well. Sure not all golg mess with people, but people like Agros, likes to mess with people when they're solo leveling, we can return the favor. And the cycle will eventually repeat over and over again.

so you're saying because a handfull of people ks, you will ks the rest of golgatha who have never bothered you?

And for what its worth, we kill plenty of bosses that "count", and even if we didn't I would stay here. I am not in golgatha because they are the strongest, I'm here because I have friends here that I know have my back.

Thanks for completely ignoring the whole part about

Please read this with an open mind. Please do not just read this already knowing what you're answer will be, no matter what the post says. If you are gonna read this with all your bias and prejudice, then please dont bother. Just read. If you disagree thats fine. But just hear me out on this one.

I've never once seeked ksing you guys until Agros decided to mess with me while I was solo leveling wyverns. Yes it was retaliatory. Great on you that you try to avoid someone if they mess with you. Bravo. You're level 111, guess what? You got plenty of places to avoid people and level. Me? I'm stuck leveling at Wyverns, just like a few of your clanmates and any other 140+ level player. They mess with me or my clanmates, no problem, we mess back. Simple as that. Your words will not change that, your clanmates actions will.

And no, if your clans been established as long as it has, has players as high as it does, claims to be elite, killing Pyrus and lower bosses does not count as killing GAME bosses. I'm talking Aggragoth, Ythair, even Kind Dread whom MD's killed already.

Aggragoth's been out for how many months now? You guys still can't kill him?

That's not our fault. Rests solely on your clan and it's leader. And that's not winning.

At all.

It's losing.

My clan?

We play to win the game.

I am not pointing fingers at anybody. I try to keep an open mind about everybody. If I see someone ks or scam, I avoid them in the future, sure. But if they change, I give them the benefit of the doubt. And I dont try to get them back, or keep the problem going. And if that person is in a certain clan, i dont think badly of that clan because of one person's actions. So no, in this case, i do not have biased opinion. And I did not personally attack anybody either.

Well you paint Skull like he's a saint, perhaps because he has never wronged you. So that's your own biased opinion. Don't force it on others, the way you don't like others' opinion of Skull being forced on you.

Can't really say your post has much merit Nighthawk. You're the same guy who makes a thread in the GENERAL DISCUSSION forum of all places when you see people arguing in the Morrigan castle. Guess what, it happens on all servers, block the people shouting nonsense and move on. Don't make a thread on it in the general discussion forum of all places begging people to stop, it makes Morrigan look stupid.

that had nothing to do with this thread. That was a personal shot at me. That is exactly what keeps hostilities going. I could just as easily take a personal shot at you, and we would get no where. Thanks a lot.

Had everything to do with this thread AND your post. It's not a 'personal shot' at you. It's criticism of your posts. It shows you've got a history of making posts trying to stop the inevitable. You made a thread in the General Discussion forum because you saw people 'bullying' or arguing with someone in the castle. You were disappointed that nobody besides yourself tried to stop the arguing or 'bullying', so you make a thread telling people to do something about it.

Here's my point, I said it in that thread, nobody tried to stop the arguing because it's something you can't stop. I can't stop people from spam shouting or arguing, regardless of the topic. I can stop it from going on my screen, I can block them, just as I'm sure everyone else in the castle did that day. Simple as that. You're wasting your time trying to stop arguing and you're wasting everyone else's time who read that thread. You had 7 posts in that whole thread, 3 of them yours, three morrigan posts, only one non-morrigan post was in that General Discussion thread and they said the same thing I did "There will always be bullying and swearing And all everywhere. " You don't have to tell us how to deal with it, we already deal with it in game. Pointless thread.

Your post here is trying to stop people from not liking Skull or Golg. It's the same as people arguing in game. It's inevitable. For you guys it's worse because of how Skull built his and Golgatha's reputation to be. A negative one. Not saying you can't change ones reputation but it starts with action not talk. How can we read your post without bias when you make a biased post? You're in Golgatha. Had this come from a legit outside player (a 1 post new forum member doesn't count either), we can take it without bias. But your post is the same thing all Golgatha members say trying to defend your clan. It's simply talk that doesn't match action. Until you can change the majority of Morrigan's minds on Golgatha's reputation (not sure this is possible), through the majority of your clans ACTIONS, not just TALK, then your post is without merit and is pointless. Stop talking to us, start talking to your clan and change the way they act. When a majority of your clan is viewed a certain way because of the majority of their actions, a post like yours is pointless.

It's inevitable clans are going to argue back and forth, especially with Golg, and yes we will continue to relish seeing you guys level up and not kill legit game bosses. Want to stop both? Stop talking start acting, start killing legit game bosses.

All clans will have their fighting and bickering between each other. It dies down, comes up again later. Just part of the game. The reason Skull is treated the way he is, is because of how he's treated others. He may have decided to lay off on how much of an *** he's being, but all characters in this game are judged by what they've done in the past. It's a stigma that sticks with you. We know what he's done in the past, we know how much money he's spent in the game, this is EXACTLY why people give him crap. He gave crap to others when spending money allowed him to do so. Now that you can't buy your way to winning, you can't idol kill bosses anymore, people give him crap in return. It's great knowing how much he's invested in the game and he can't kill a game boss to save his wallet. It's pathetic on Golgatha's part, but awesome for the rest of Morrigan.

And basically that boils down to "we're jerks to him cuz hes a jerk to us(which he does because we're jerks, but we're only jerks because hes a jerk)" It goes on forever, with everybody pointing the finger at the other person.

See above.

And if you're riding with someone like that (which I don't know why you'd want to be in a clan that gives you a bad rep and can't kill bosses that count), don't be surprised when you catch flack as well. Sure not all golg mess with people, but people like Agros, likes to mess with people when they're solo leveling, we can return the favor. And the cycle will eventually repeat over and over again.

so you're saying because a handfull of people ks, you will ks the rest of golgatha who have never bothered you?

And for what its worth, we kill plenty of bosses that "count", and even if we didn't I would stay here. I am not in golgatha because they are the strongest, I'm here because I have friends here that I know have my back.

Thanks for completely ignoring the whole part about

Please read this with an open mind. Please do not just read this already knowing what you're answer will be, no matter what the post says. If you are gonna read this with all your bias and prejudice, then please dont bother. Just read. If you disagree thats fine. But just hear me out on this one.

I've never once seeked ksing you guys until Agros decided to mess with me while I was solo leveling wyverns. Yes it was retaliatory. Great on you that you try to avoid someone if they mess with you. Bravo. You're level 111, guess what? You got plenty of places to avoid people and level. Me? I'm stuck leveling at Wyverns, just like a few of your clanmates and any other 140+ level player. They mess with me or my clanmates, no problem, we mess back. Simple as that. Your words will not change that, your clanmates actions will.

And no, if your clans been established as long as it has, has players as high as it does, claims to be elite, killing Pyrus and lower bosses does not count as killing GAME bosses. I'm talking Aggragoth, Ythair, even Kind Dread whom MD's killed already.

Aggragoth's been out for how many months now? You guys still can't kill him?

That's not our fault. Rests solely on your clan and it's leader. And that's not winning.

At all.

It's losing.

My clan?

We play to win the game.

Before i even read this post i knew it was gonna be bad for nighthawk. Dude you can't win an argument with oni. He just owned you. Admit defeat.

I am not pointing fingers at anybody. I try to keep an open mind about everybody. If I see someone ks or scam, I avoid them in the future, sure. But if they change, I give them the benefit of the doubt. And I dont try to get them back, or keep the problem going. And if that person is in a certain clan, i dont think badly of that clan because of one person's actions. So no, in this case, i do not have biased opinion. And I did not personally attack anybody either.

Well you paint Skull like he's a saint, perhaps because he has never wronged you. So that's your own biased opinion. Don't force it on others, the way you don't like others' opinion of Skull being forced on you.

I NEVER painted skull as a saint . I said FLAT OUT that he had flaws. read my post.

I never asked for the clan hostilities to end. I said countless times that I know they are inevitable. All i said is dont condemn all of golgatha based on one persons actions. I also gave an explanation of his actions, while asserting that they were no excuse and i still didnt agree with them. You guys put words in my mouth, twist what I say, and then try to tear me apart based on what "I" said. I was originally on your guys side as much as ours. You guys automatically responded as if I was accusing you or attacking you. I would be percectly happy keeping this a mature conversation between polite people.

"a clan is only as good as its biggest ***" - pigman

in the case of golgatha, there are a lot of them, a few have reputations as scammers, and modders

avalon, sure we have a couple maybe, but they kick ass, and they aren't selfish the way golg players can be, scamming and modding would absolutely not be allowed in ava either


now i know there are some nice guys in golg, if you really want us to stop judging you based on your clan, LEAVE THE DAMN CLAN, all the "nice" golgs can leave and make their own clan, leaving skull, spart, argos, rapid, and the like alone, with nobody to slave for them

until that happens, golgs get the label of a clan to dish it out to as much as possible

"a clan is only as good as its biggest ***" - pigman

in the case of golgatha, there are a lot of them, a few have reputations as scammers, and modders

avalon, sure we have a couple maybe, but they kick ass, and they aren't selfish the way golg players can be, scamming and modding would absolutely not be allowed in ava either


now i know there are some nice guys in golg, if you really want us to stop judging you based on your clan, LEAVE THE DAMN CLAN, all the "nice" golgs can leave and make their own clan, leaving skull, spart, argos, rapid, and the like alone, with nobody to slave for them

until that happens, golgs get the label of a clan to dish it out to as much as possible

I'm sorry, I can't agree with any of that.
the first part, about a clan being as good as its biggest ***, makes no sense whatsoever. If you have one absolute jerk in a clan full of angels, then the whole clan deserves to be hated venomously?(thats obviously a fictional exampe, no such clan.)

"avalon, sure we have a couple maybe, but they kick ass, and they aren't selfish the way golg players can be, scamming and modding would absolutely not be allowed in ava either"
So you're saying if a player is strong enough, or high enough level, then they are allowed to be a jerk?

as far as me leaving the clan because of how you feel about some people in it, thats not gonna happen. I'm sorry.

I have issues with these people the same as you do. I do not agree with what they do. However, I think the majority of golgs are generally nice people, and you seem to be going by the "a clan is only as good as its biggest ***", meaning you dont care if there's one jerk or 400, you will hate all of us. I disagree with that policy.

I have no issue with your clan. At all. I respect you all as individuals, regardless of what clan you're in. Some of you I get along with, some I don't. but it has nothing to do with your clan(although it seems to have something to do with mine.) I try to keep all my posts calm and polite, and am met with rude, pointed responses. I come in wanting to talk like grown adults, and you guys do everything in your power to turn it into a fight. Ailwen and i had a nice couple of posts there, where we were both polite and respectfull. Then you guys tried to start a fight.

what i mean is members set a clans reputation, in the case of golg, skull and his cronies have set a pretty bad reputaion, you guys have a choice,
1. kill the infection
2. pretend it isnt there
3. become a gombie (golgatha zombie)

I'm sorry, I can't agree with any of that.
the first part, about a clan being as good as its biggest ***, makes no sense whatsoever. If you have one absolute jerk in a clan full of angels, then the whole clan deserves to be hated venomously?(thats obviously a fictional exampe, no such clan.)

absolutely they do... they should be hated for not kicking the jerk

I NEVER painted skull as a saint . I said FLAT OUT that he had flaws. read my post.

Besides you admitting he yelled a lot, you just keep saying people says he is greedy and a jerk but you flat out rationalized all his actions and worshipped him. I'm sure he appreciates you putting him on a pedestal. We really don't care much how jaded Golg members are. Some do see through it eventually and leave. Each to his own pace.

Even Justescy was an avid Skull and Golg supporter for a long, long time but just look at his post on this thread about members not abandoning Golg and yet his signature says General of AdAstra, that's priceless.

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