Celtic Heroes

I never asked for the clan hostilities to end. I said countless times that I know they are inevitable. All i said is dont condemn all of golgatha based on one persons actions. I also gave an explanation of his actions, while asserting that they were no excuse and i still didnt agree with them. You guys put words in my mouth, twist what I say, and then try to tear me apart based on what "I" said. I was originally on your guys side as much as ours. You guys automatically responded as if I was accusing you or attacking you. I would be percectly happy keeping this a mature conversation between polite people.

Would be interested to know what you think a clan is ?

Shouldn't it be a group of individuals working towards a single goal ? It sounds like golg has different factions . A clan is judged by it's leadership and it's members actions .

I have no doubt that you are a level headed dude nighthawk and tbh I couldn't care less if you stay in golg leave golg create a second golg or do whatever puts fuzz on your peach.

The idea that people can't express their reaction IN ANY WAY THEY WANT TO about your thread seems very close-minded to me .

Okay, Im going to say the same things many other people has said. But I just need to put my 10cents in.

First of All, quite a lot of Avalonians don't like Golgatha because of its Philosophies (In our Eyes). In our eyes we see Golgatha as greedy KS'ers, annoying, rude and disrespectful Players. This is only because of a handful of bad members within Golgatha that give Golgatha a bad name. Faults stand out more then positive impacts, one fault is worth 5 positive impacts. Its hard to clear faults this is why Golgatha looks bad in our eyes, and has a awful reputation.

Yes, Skullcrusher has toned down quite a bit, a lot nicer, calmer and much kinder, but his faults have given him a bad name also. Over the past month I haven't judged skull based on his old reputation, I talk to him in game as I would to anybody and he treats me the same. At the beginning of Update 2 skull was also calmer and nice, Avalon was formed as skull as a Guardian. After a few weeks or a month Skullcrusher changed for the worst. He got arrogant, ignorant and selfish. This is why many Avalonians give a look away to Skullcrusher because his reputation changed because when he changed for the worst he did more faults then positive impacts.

Skullcrushers Faults ended up giving him a bad name. Skullcrusher created Golgatha because he wanted to be better then Avalon and created it with the wrong philosophies to begin with, this ended up with KS, Greed and Arrogant results. Golgatha unfortunately has a bad name for these actions. It wasn't just Skullcrusher who gave Golgatha a Bad name but it was some of the players, because of the faults that were laid out and werent Corrected.

Fast forward to now, Golgathian philosophies have changed little, there a still a handful of random ksers, scammers and arrogant players. But quite allot are good players, nice players in fact labelled as a terrible player because of what Golgatha has done in the past.To correct this will be difficult, everyone will have to see the effort Golgatha is putting into to get a better name.

No one in this game is perfect, nor will there ever be someone more perfect then me (Jokes) but all we have in this game going for us is our reputation. Thats the only thing us as players can judge you on. I will say it now as many have before me, reputation is the only thing going for you, you scam one person it sticks and is hard to clear away. And I will say it again, Faults stand out magnificently greater then Positive impacts do.

Hopefully I didn't offend anyone in this post, if i did just PM or contact me in game and I will either Delete or Edit this post. (Also I don't mean for this post to be so one sided but, all its all I have).

I never asked for the clan hostilities to end. I said countless times that I know they are inevitable. All i said is dont condemn all of golgatha based on one persons actions. I also gave an explanation of his actions, while asserting that they were no excuse and i still didnt agree with them. You guys put words in my mouth, twist what I say, and then try to tear me apart based on what "I" said. I was originally on your guys side as much as ours. You guys automatically responded as if I was accusing you or attacking you. I would be percectly happy keeping this a mature conversation between polite people.

Would be interested to know what you think a clan is ?

Shouldn't it be a group of individuals working towards a single goal ? It sounds like golg has different factions . A clan is judged by it's leadership and it's members actions .

I have no doubt that you are a level headed dude nighthawk and tbh I couldn't care less if you stay in golg leave golg create a second golg or do whatever puts fuzz on your peach.

The idea that people can't express their reaction IN ANY WAY THEY WANT TO about your thread seems very close-minded to me .

I am happy to hear peoples opinions and feedback. All i ask is that they are polite, mature, and calm about it.

I NEVER painted skull as a saint . I said FLAT OUT that he had flaws. read my post.

Besides you admitting he yelled a lot, you just keep saying people says he is greedy and a jerk but you flat out rationalized all his actions and worshipped him. I'm sure he appreciates you putting him on a pedestal. We really don't care much how jaded Golg members are. Some do see through it eventually and leave. Each to his own pace.

Even Justescy was an avid Skull and Golg supporter for a long, long time but just look at his post on this thread about members not abandoning Golg and yet his signature says General of AdAstra, that's priceless.

http://www.onethumbmobile.com/celticher ... 40#p109740

I never rationalized his actions, and i CERTAINLY never worshipped him. I have said multiple times now that i dont agree with some of the things he does. And I have NEVER worshipped him. I'm not attempting to put him on a pedestal. I have said flat out he has made mistakes and continues to make mistakes. Please PLEASE stop trying to put words in my mouth.

I never rationalized his actions, and i CERTAINLY never worshipped him. I have said multiple times now that i dont agree with some of the things he does. And I have NEVER worshipped him. I'm not attempting to put him on a pedestal. I have said flat out he has made mistakes and continues to make mistakes. Please PLEASE stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Ok there seems to be a disconnect with what you meant to type and what you actually typed . That or the way you worded it is misleading . It certainly seemed to be putting skull on a pedestal the way I read it . You need to consider how people will interpret the words you type when typing them .

Just to further this a bit , Skull has never been much of a jerk to me and I have had very little dealings with him . My opinion is based on the many many many many people who have an opinion on skull and it seems unless Skull is currently gearing a player up , they all think he acts like an ass.

clan rivalries exist, where they stem from is almost irrelevant when they are as deeply ingrained as the one we have going , in my mind it adds fun and enjoyment to the game . for the most part I like golg members , I think you have some nice people in your clan. I have noticed however that most golgs act differently when skull is present .

This is a game and this is a forum about that game , please stop asking for a mature discussion , if you don't like what people have to say in response to your post either come at them or let it slide , this relying on the idea that this needs to be a mature discussion is just silly , read the new York times if that's what you are looking for.

Furthermore the idea that Ava is out looking for golgs to ks is ludicrous , if we were you would all still be the same level as nighthawk

Please stop arguing, we (as in everyone who reads these posts) all know you hate each other, and I disagree with the associated "ethics" ,if you like, of Golgatha and its members. I'm all for expressing ideas and emotions, but theres a point where peace and neutral equality is better than shouting at each other on a forum thread about whether nighthawk brown-noses skull or not. (although ill admit that justecy topic was ironic to the point that it made me laugh). I will politley request that this topic is locked before anyone gets insulted any more than they already have.

Put words in your mouth? Let's see what you said:

I know he used to yell at the clan a LOT, often for silly stuff. But you have to realize, he has litterally thousands of real dollars invested in that clan. when things are not looking good for the clan, its EXTREMELY stressfull. But I have not seen him yell at all for quite a while now. Yes, every once in a while somebody does something stupid, and he lets em know. But that is expected from any clan chief: thats their job. Over all, he has been really calm and friendly recently.

You defend his yelling because he spent thousands of dollars and he is clan chief. So you are saying it's justified because it's his job and he has outspent everyone else on the server.

People say he's greedy: He has spent litterally thousands of dollars in plat, helping golgatha members. He shows up at our bosses, and helps kill em so we get the stuff we need, even when he has his stuff already. People say he's greedy cuz he equiped all his alts, and there are still people in golg that havent been equipped... 1. He has spent more time, money, and effort attaining these drops and equipment than anyone else in the clan: if anyone is entitled to the stuff, its him. I have NEVER, in all my time in golgatha, felt that he kept something that i deserved.

In all that statement, all you did is deny he is greedy. Again you repeated he has literally spent thousands of dollars (are you in awe? is that a boast?). He has the best items, even his alts are better equipped, you said he deserved everything he takes. - so in your eyes, he cannot do any wrong - he is on a pedestal, the master of you all.

I never rationalized his actions, and i CERTAINLY never worshipped him. I have said multiple times now that i dont agree with some of the things he does. And I have NEVER worshipped him. I'm not attempting to put him on a pedestal. I have said flat out he has made mistakes and continues to make mistakes. Please PLEASE stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Ok there seems to be a disconnect with what you meant to type and what you actually typed . That or the way you worded it is misleading . It certainly seemed to be putting skull on a pedestal the way I read it . You need to consider how people will interpret the words you type when typing them .

Just to further this a bit , Skull has never been much of a jerk to me and I have had very little dealings with him . My opinion is based on the many many many many people who have an opinion on skull and it seems unless Skull is currently gearing a player up , they all think he acts like an ass.

clan rivalries exist, where they stem from is almost irrelevant when they are as deeply ingrained as the one we have going , in my mind it adds fun and enjoyment to the game . for the most part I like golg members , I think you have some nice people in your clan. I have noticed however that most golgs act differently when skull is present .

This is a game and this is a forum about that game , please stop asking for a mature discussion , if you don't like what people have to say in response to your post either come at them or let it slide , this relying on the idea that this needs to be a mature discussion is just silly , read the new York times if that's what you are looking for.

Furthermore the idea that Ava is out looking for golgs to ks is ludicrous , if we were you would all still be the same level as nighthawk

I'm sorry if my post was read in a way i didnt intend. my bad. I still refuse to "come at them". All that does is make "them" mad, making them "come at" me. And 10 seconds later its just an ignorant shouting match with no intelligent discussion whatsoever. And I never said that ava is out looking for golgs to ks. it was avas that implied that, although that could be another case of mis-read post.

Put words in your mouth? Let's see what you said:

I know he used to yell at the clan a LOT, often for silly stuff. But you have to realize, he has litterally thousands of real dollars invested in that clan. when things are not looking good for the clan, its EXTREMELY stressfull. But I have not seen him yell at all for quite a while now. Yes, every once in a while somebody does something stupid, and he lets em know. But that is expected from any clan chief: thats their job. Over all, he has been really calm and friendly recently.

You defend his yelling because he spent thousands of dollars and he is clan chief. So you are saying it's justified because it's his job and he has outspent everyone else on the server.

I did not defend or justify his yelling. I explained why he yelled, but said quite plainly that I still didnt think it was right. And I never said it was justified because of how much he spent. I said he got stressed because he spent so much, and that lead to yelling. Also, I did not say yelling at people for no reason was his job. I said correcting people who have messed up is his job.

Please stop arguing, we (as in everyone who reads these posts) all know you hate each other, and I disagree with the associated "ethics" ,if you like, of Golgatha and its members. I'm all for expressing ideas and emotions, but theres a point where peace and neutral equality is better than shouting at each other on a forum thread about whether nighthawk brown-noses skull or not. (although ill admit that justecy topic was ironic to the point that it made me laugh). I will politley request that this topic is locked before anyone gets insulted any more than they already have.

:| this is sad. no matter how many times i repeat myself, people assume I hate avalon. As far as shouting at each other, I have not shouted at all. I'm sorry if any of my posts were read that way. As far as me brown nosing skull, I never realized that was a topic of discussion. if you read my posts with an open mind like i asked, you would see that i talk openly about skulls faults. But of course everybody has to go with the popular belief that since I'm in golgatha, I must hate all avalons, and I must absolutely adore skull and follow him blindly. This thread is going nowhere. It has come down to the same sentiments being repeated over and over again. I am done. This is my last post in this thread. You all know where I stand.(or, more likely, you will just assume where I stand, without actually reading what I'm saying.)

I'm thoroughly sorry if at any point I came across as yelling, or in any way offended anybody. I wrote every single post calmly and politely. If one was taken to be rude or "shouted", then I'm sorry.