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Re: Official HelterSkelter Clan

#11
To begin with:
Your clan is too large. Yes that is a bad thing.
The problem with too big clans is that you don't create a bond with existing members and neither do the members connect with each other. This connection of friendship is what holds a clan together. Obviously you failed at that.

Secondly your clan has too many guardians and generals. Yes this too is a bad thing. Too much guardians and generals lead to too much random members including scammers, spammers, and pedophiles. The clan leaders wouldn't have ANY control of the clan.

Here's an other little problem with too many guardians and generals. Getting promoted to guardian or general doesn't feel that special anymore because there is another gazillion of them. Go figure :lol:

All these things eventually cause players to loose interest and find more solid clans, clans that actually care for their members, rather than a gigantic population. Just like a little baby sucking on the better tit for nutritions, people will switch to a better clan.
In my opinion, your clan is failing and I wouldn't be proud of it if I owned it. I suggest you grab a few close friends and start a new clan. As those close friends get close friends, you get more members. Then make friends with those people. Get to know them, help them out, create that Bond! Make them feel bad to even think about leaving. The clan maybe small at first but it will be a Clan, a place where you can have fun and enjoy the damn game.

You can't delete my post btw. I will post whatever I want although I do think I have some good helpful pointers.

Re: Official HelterSkelter Clan

#13
To begin with:
Your clan is too large. Yes that is a bad thing.
The problem with too big clans is that you don't create a bond with existing members and neither do the members connect with each other. This connection of friendship is what holds a clan together. Obviously you failed at that.

Secondly your clan has too many guardians and generals. Yes this too is a bad thing. Too much guardians and generals lead to too much random members including scammers, spammers, and pedophiles. The clan leaders wouldn't have ANY control of the clan.

Here's an other little problem with too many guardians and generals. Getting promoted to guardian or general doesn't feel that special anymore because there is another gazillion of them. Go figure :lol:

All these things eventually cause players to loose interest and find more solid clans, clans that actually care for their members, rather than a gigantic population. Just like a little baby sucking on the better tit for nutritions, people will switch to a better clan.
In my opinion, your clan is failing and I wouldn't be proud of it if I owned it. I suggest you grab a few close friends and start a new clan. As those close friends get close friends, you get more members. Then make friends with those people. Get to know them, help them out, create that Bond! Make them feel bad to even think about leaving. The clan maybe small at first but it will be a Clan, a place where you can have fun and enjoy the damn game.

You can't delete my post btw. I will post whatever I want although I do think I have some good helpful pointers.
Hmmn. Well it sounds like you have never been in the clan. I see that you are attempting to make a few constructive points but your ideas are slathered in misstatements with a twist of snarky hautiness so I struggle to take anything you have to say seriously. However, I will be the better person and attempt to glean some wisdom from your whinging denouncement. That said, I must point out your misstatements and clarify some "Clan Build" points that must stay.

1. There are 3 Generals. I say that is sufficient to train and assist 1k+ members. By far not too many.
2. The elites are built right in. The lower levels are the training clan and the elites are just the higher levels. That is the build.
3. We are the second most powerful clan on the Gwydion server. We are only 1k away from the 1st (at the time of this post). This does not smack of failure to me.
4. We have a very solid Rapid Assessment BS Filter (RABSF) and actually benefit from so many members. We have so many eyes and ears in the game, both current members and ex-members who are still tight with their mother clan, that we can eject a spammer, scammer, or pedophile usually faster than a 150 level DPS Mage can kill a Scrawny Wolf. Think about that.
5. You may be on to something with the idea of having too many guardians, I will admit this is a sticky wicket but! (The big But!) is that if you look at the smaller Elite Clans with only 100 or so members and you look at their ranking you will see that what we are doing works. We are in 2nd by a handsome margin. Furthermore, I was a noob once too and when I was invited into Helter at 6th level and promoted to guardian shortly afterwards it was significant. I could recruit friends I met into my clan and make a "pod" if you will within the clan itself. My access to other clanmembers was vast and the clan was only at apx 400 members back then. I had clout and a modicum of autonomy within a large powerful clan. This is important for us to bestow upon the noobs. If you read between the lines on our Rules, you may notice that we want to attract people who are in the game to enjoy the game. We like noobs (to a degree). Not glory seeking bullies. Not power grabbing divas. I digress.
6. My teats are plenty nutritious and my clanmates sup from their copious bounty frequently. My right teat serves Sweet and my left teat serves Sour.
7. I can delete your post. It is my damn post and I am not beyond dropping the whole thread if it gets ugly.

If you were truly trying to give some pointers, well...most of your ideas are not what we're looking for. I do actually appreciate the time you spent responding. What I am seeking are new fresh ideas, not old grumbles that we at the top (the old helter members) have heard a thousand f'n times before. Everything you griped about has some validity but those grousings are older than my Grannies farts.

Perhaps you are not the sort of person that belongs in a Helter-like clan. Lucky for you their are smaller more intimate clans with no noobs and they to like to suck teats. Go to the online rankings and scroll down to the 10th or 11th most powerful clan and below and select from there?
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Re: Official HelterSkelter Clan

#14
when u say ur the second most powerful clan that is true but at least half if not more of ur mems are inactive and another reason for lvl 50-60 leave is because u cant kill the discs bosses and a lvl 50 dosent want to be spending all that hard earnt cash on discs when they can join any clan from 5-1 excluding helter and get heaps of discs free
just another Noob

Re: Official HelterSkelter Clan

#15
when u say ur the second most powerful clan that is true but at least half if not more of ur mems are inactive and another reason for lvl 50-60 leave is because u cant kill the discs bosses and a lvl 50 dosent want to be spending all that hard earnt cash on discs when they can join any clan from 5-1 excluding helter and get heaps of discs free
You may be on to something here. Noted. Thanks.
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Re: Official HelterSkelter Clan

#18
Hrmm regarding what you said previously about spending time helping people then they leave your clan to join another, this is because although the rankings show you are a powerful clan this isn't the truth members go off in pursuit of new challenges and experiences in the game. This may include killing Alphassopht the afformentioned lvl 150 dragon XD

There's an old saying "quality, over quantity" I'm sure you guys can figure that one out.
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Re: Official HelterSkelter Clan

#19
Woooh i love killing alphasopht, hes the best play pal :) but seriously so many people are going omg blah blah blah helter is soo strong/10 brah strongest clan ever brah, says so on the leader board brah, or what ever it is you goobers are whining about, to be quiet honest helter skelter is nothing but 5 mins of fame for a level 5 i should know, took my nooobiest alt 2 mins from entering to become gaurd, if everyones so confident helter is now the most die hard clan out their, go kill alphasopht, oh wait now that i think about it, only 4 of your members can actually make it past the boars in sv let alone tge bg druid pit and into ow :/ here how about proving it this way in a place your clan can travel too.... The arena 10 solis vs every available belter, but not too many of you whelper skelples, i dont want you over loading the the server :/ anyway enough of my challenges that wont be stepped up to.... P.s how does an actuall arena battle sound uppy?? 10v10 elimination round, no rez, no respawns just lie their till we have a winner, each team puts up 10k loosing team walks away empty handed whose in?
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Re: Official HelterSkelter Clan

#20
Wow Jake, for someone who I considered a friendly in the game that sure is a crappy post. Killing the dragon is not the only point of this game. In fact from my point of view the game is meant to be fun. Did you read the rules on page one? So what, Helter found a way to be most powerful without killing a dragon? Why be such a hater? So much contempt for noobs being guardians...why? Imagine if John Lennon started a clan (no pun intended), it would be Helter. We are not a dictatorship. We kill bosses and disperse the drops on a roll! What a crazy idea! Even when the chiefs and generals are bossing...!! We support new players. We are enthusiastic. And most importantly, we don't let the idea that killing a dragon is the total bounty of our clan worth consume us.

An arena battle would prove nothing. Your challenge is petty and childish and you know it. This post was never a challenge, it was a place for clan members to express ideas and to learn our very simple rules. I knew that in time it would bait a few *** holes to blather on about something but your venom is misguided and unexpected. Why you are so upbraided by our success is beyond me. Were we mean to your alt? Did you get kicked for some reason that made you sulky and hateful?

In close, I think we should be applauded for making it to the status of "Gwydion's Most Powerful Clan" without ever killing the dragon. Imagine what will happen when we do take that bad boy out? We will need the help of our allies, many of whom are ex-Helter, and many are in your clan. It is better to keep your enemies close. I hope you rethink your embittered rant and find the error in your hatred. Until then, I will hold the moral high ground and still say hello when I see you in game (though I doubt I will dance naked for you anytime soon). :D
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