Druid killed aggra...

Morphmarfa

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#41 by Morphmarfa

stats:
5 str
5 dex
1220 focus with item boost
120 vit with item boost
nature magic 2400

my skills:
vines 44 with rings
lighting strike 44 with rings
storm touch 35 nor rings
bark 6 with brace add
touch 40 with brace add (i healed our tank few times when i had the chance)
calm 24 with charm

my gear:
masters grimoire offhand
speed boots (forgot to equip my 15 focus cloak armor boots)
diamond chest and legs
crown of wizardry
spiritshadow gauntlets (15 focus one)
shadow grimoire of magic (200 nature magic, 150 focus)
emerald amulet of the grave (40 focus and 100 nature magic)
enchanters bracelet of vitality (5 bark, 250 nature magic, 75 vit)
healers bracelet of focus (75 focus, 5 nature touch, 250 nature magic)
magical charm of the grave (100 nature magic and 10 calm)
both royal and grand rings for vines
both rpyal and gran rings for lighting strike

the lures:
hector was wearing his charm for +10 magic lure, so i had a 11 magic lure at my service.
firehead was there with a maxed pierce and fire lure with rings (not sure wich rings).
hector had ice lure i think.

the support as in energy boost or whatever:
i had NO energy booost, NO sacrifice, nothing. no support in my energy except 400 sigils and around 20ish restoration pots.

i made a post in druid section with the pictures of me getting kill, and who was in group. housecat stayed on the boss entire time, presmagic was not there entire time, nibiru stayed on boss mostly but took an add or 2. for myself i was on agg almost entire time, but had to heal a few times because of the fact one of our druids kept logging so i occasionally had to stop and heal 2-3 times.

Its impressive mate that you got the kill and the fact that you mentioned to outdps a rogue with radiant gear despite needing to heal occasionally + the luck % in skill evasion. Really weird but impressive that you got the kill.

This brings me to my next question, assuming a lv 150 druid, with lv 44 lighting, lv 44 lighting and lv 35 storm + lv 11 magic lure can get aggy kill over a rogue. Has a mage in any worlds ever gotten aggy kill before?

Simply because:
1) Druids already could not outdps Mage before mages had their big patch.
2) Mages had increased damage on certain spells with increased focus with patch
3) Mages had increased casting speed - 20% (I thk) with patch. Basically, 3 lighting bolts = 2 firebolts, 3 storm touch = 2 ice shards
4) This druid only had a lv 11 magic lure whereas most mages - fire & ice lures should be much higher

MorphMarfa has retired from Celtic Heroes and most probably wont be resurfacing. He had a enjoyable time during his druid adventures in Taranis.

Lv 182+ Druid : Taranis

Brookie

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#42 by Brookie

I can say that. Yes presmajic got the kill over me when I was on haste. I had 3k attack 1.4k damage or close to that but no assasins lure was up. Max fire lure was up though and I have 600 fire damage... So ya people underestimate caster classes

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Morphmarfa

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#43 by Morphmarfa

Ok that makes more sense. But again, if a druid (pre mage patch) can get aggy kill, you would think there be more occasions whereby mages can compete regularly with rangers & rogues for aggy kill.
Something is amiss from this weirdness.

MorphMarfa has retired from Celtic Heroes and most probably wont be resurfacing. He had a enjoyable time during his druid adventures in Taranis.

Lv 182+ Druid : Taranis

BLRD-7

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#44 by BLRD-7

I'm not underestimating caster classes (as I'm sure others are not), but the example you gave was a bit off..

An example of beating a world champion first to 100 in ping-pong or whatever.. That's completely different. A fairer example would be to beat the world champion to 1 point.

You must have taken Aggy over 50 times by now and this Druid has only got the kill once. I'm sure next aggy he won't get the kill, nor will he for a lot more aggy's to come. It was a 1 off.. Same as beating the world champion of ping-pong to 1 point.

A lot of things effect the kill.. Sure 'Housecat' didn't log out and back in at any time? As that would have stopped him getting the kill. Also, casting poison weapon increases DPS so just autoing is not the best way to fight aggy (although is nice if you're controlling another toon).

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Brookie

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#45 by Brookie

The Druid has never tried for aggra kill before. 1 hit is all about luck 700 hits on aggra is not. Your not thinking clearly

Every hit on aggra is about luck 1 hit not 700. 1 point is 1 good shot. 1 aggra is 700 rogue hits not one good aggra you can have a good aggra but cause it consists of 700 hits it's not gomna be much different to your calculated dps. Think about it

1 single hit is where luck comes into play

Aggra is 15 mins without a haste I worked out almost 700 hits. It can't be luck it shows that the Druids dps who has not got great stuff for dps was close to a rogue without haste. I can't stress this enough. A aggra is 15 mins you do 15 mins of anything with the world best and your gonna lose unless ur close to there standard to start with nuff said.

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Eliminater

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#46 by Eliminater

700 hits = 700 chances for bad luck , plus I don't think anyone really knows how much they hit Aggy for anyway .

If it becomes a pattern of Druids killing Aggy then let's make an issue out of it until then let's not overreact . All it proves is that Druid while attempting to be dps can do it well , a fact we have all known for a long time .

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Brookie

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#47 by Brookie

Elim let's just say u have a 60% chance to hit?

You miss once what's the odds of missing again
1 miss is a 40% chance
2 misses in a row is 16% chance
3 in a row 7.2%

It goes down too quickly I'm being serious here over 700 hits ur gonna be close to ur calculated dps. It's a fact not ow luck really it's all about probability. If you look in probability books in the chance that over 700 hits a you miss more then half so less then 50% hit with a 60% chance of hit you will find its less then 1% that this happens almost impossible. Even if it was that off chance he hits less then he should that's only like 17% less dps how has a Druid with not maxed out gear managed to out dps a rogue with great gear(second best kitted out rogue on server that still plays) surely with 50/50 in all tw Druid skills his dps would be comparable to mine. Have a think

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Eliminater

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#48 by Eliminater

But you don't know how many times you are meant to hit , you seem to think you know aggys defense and resistance and none of us do . I'm not even saying you are wrong just you don't know for sure . I also don't think you know how much you hit Aggy for either , luck is huge in this game if you choose to ignore that it's fine but let's not act as if this game is played with a paper and pencil cause it's not .

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Aileron

Re: Druid killed aggra...

#49 by Aileron

Jeezus Brookie. Here you are talking about probabilities and statistics like a math expert and you have ONE sample size. ONE!

You can't make generalizations based on ONE fight.

You keep using sports analogies that says numbers don't lie. If that's the case, then NFL or NBA playoffs is unnecessary. Your Superbowl or NBA champions will always be whichever team has the highest points per game average.

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Re: Druid killed aggra...

#50 by Yrck

luck is only a small part of the game, it is very much possible to push your luck by making certain things better. i for example happen to know it was more use for me to keep my support brace on for bark then to use a diff brace, cuz nature magic improves how many times my skills dont deflect. so with 2.4k nature magic i was on my maximum nature magic possible almost (2,5k is max possible for 150 druid with a 3rd generation agg book instead of my 2nd)
the fact i got kill without any dps bracelets proofs druids can get agg kills way more often, i will go for kill next time as well and see if it happens again.
i am absolutely positive housecat did not log off during battle...
the game is determined by several things, most set in game programming, some random. i can ensure you that it is not just luck that i got it, as the stats make it happen, not luck.

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