Celtic Heroes

If the point still stand after the last comment is made then why change the point. I have posted evidence of my build my stats. Your just saying no. Your wrong rogues are top. When clearly most of the rogues that are commenting have yet to take there head outta the' I am the best dps class cloud' to see what is really happening. I said to people about rogues yuck strike being broken 5 months before others tested and agreed. This time I am determined for someone to test it. You have songz and elim at your disposal aswell as oni(aslong as oni has dreadbone Mage ore ammy and charm) you have the perfect charcs to test it with. Just let those 3 go at it and ONI on constant energy boost so his mana stays up. Prove me wrong. You hVe the time and the ability to do so if I am wrong. Otherwise you will see it for yourself.

I don't keep really track who gets kill, but i remember Elim got kill 2 raids ago, ONI before him. Songz can tell you how many times he has won. Personally I really don't care who gets it, it doesn't mean much to me at all.

Have all of them been blasting away no adds to test true dps. Best way to do it.

Have all of them been blasting away no adds to test true dps. Best way to do it.

I want in on this!

Eh, I'll leave it up to them. I don't have interest in running a who has a bigger *male appendage removed* contest.

Pretty sure they already try to outdps each other, except Elim whom I always bring to my tank group

I don't keep really track who gets kill, but i remember Elim got kill 2 raids ago, ONI before him. Songz can tell you how many times he has won. Personally I really don't care who gets it, it doesn't mean much to me at all.

That's the problem. We don't get hung up on who gets the kill. We don't make aggy kill threads to brag. That's Brookie's problem, who gets the kill. Brookie said it himself, he thinks it's not right a caster can get the kill, it shouldn't even be an option in his opinion. Brookie's the only one constantly complaining rogue's are broken. He's using this thread to spread that thought into peoples mind. Mission accomplished, there's already been a Broken rogue class thread. Look at the OP in that thread, he says he made it based off suggestions he'd seen in other posts. Such as this one. Nothing he himself had seen firsthand, he's going off of suggestions!

My problem with this whole thread is Brookie is misrepresenting rogues and mages to get changes made to them based on his opinion of what they should be. He's presenting one scenario that doesn't even happen EVERYTIME like he's perpetuating it does.

He's using Yrck's druid kills to spread the whole rogue's are broken agenda, and Yrck doesn't even realize it.

Brookie isn't being transparent with everything he's saying. He says if a mage is capable and has the gear to, he should get the kill EVERYTIME. We say not true, he says we're not doing it right. But........

Fact: Rosemerta killed Aggy two days ago. The mage that Brookie complains of losing to was present at the raid. Who got the kill? A rogue.

The perfect scenario you're claiming is the norm doesn't even occur in your own world EVERYTIME like you're making it seem. You're not disclosing all your aggy kills, you're only choosing to mention mage and druid kills to strengthen your argument and get changes done the way you would like.

A day to day Mage build isn't an aggy kill build. Unlike on your world, people don't walk around with rebirths and alts and change for EVERY Aggy raid. For a caster to even have a shot at the kill they WILL have to use restores. Yrck said he used 30-40 during his kills. I use restores when I kill Aggy. Your mage uses restores to kill aggy. Stop saying they don't and stop saying they have backup energy mages to help EVERYTIME. It's not true, you know this.

No aggy kill is the same EVERYTIME. It's varies even more so between worlds. There is no perfect scenario where EVERYTIME all dps lineup and go all out blast and the casters have energy backups everytime. It doesn't even happen in your own world! Your mage took on adds your last raid. Aggy kills are team efforts. Not who gets the kill efforts YOU feel they are and are painting them to be.

It was a nice congrats to the Druid thread but the rogues decided to turn it into a "whiney rogue thread" they are almost as bad as mages a couple months ago now IMO

Elim post a video of a 6.5 min kill please. Also I created post .... Lol so I take it where I ment to go.

People have called out the real purpose of this thread early on and even the OP admits to taking it off it's original topic which if you look at the first post it was a congrats to druid thread.

Keep this thread civil and on-topic, otherwise it will be locked.

I want to reiterate Community's post - do not go off-topic and argue! Final warning.

All it's been is back and forth off topic arguing. What's the point of keeping this going beyond what the OP changed the thread into? We're 30 pages in and no other world's are corroborating what the OP is presenting. They're actually arguing against it which is why we're almost 30 pages in and you can only imagine this will continue with NO benefit to the general discussion beyond keeping OP's poor misrepresentation of classes going.

1) I was not there at last aggy
2) as you said the Mage who didn't get kill was taking adds so how the hell does that count on dps what so ever
3) rogues are broken. Ever rogue wants to be dps name me people who are main rogues who don't
4) yes I am using this to show how rogues without a haste get beat by a Druid! A class which was built for support mainly should not have the chance to beat a class which only option to be decent is dps. A class which is made for dps!
5) a decent energy boost can easily help your major dps on aggy you could max your 3 top damage skills then still have enough points to max e boost.
6) yes aggy is a team effort but when all classes go all out and one which is made for pure dps doesn't win when the one who is made for pure dps has almost max gear and the other class who has chose to be support or dps doesn't have maxed gear and they both go full blown. Who should win? The rogue right? So why does the Mage... Something is *** up

Our fastest Kill was 6min 18 sec. That's with nt everyone on. Honestly if we gave every a combo pot, even tank, and had all mains on, we could kill in 3-4 min easy. That's a rough guesstimate.

I don't keep really track who gets kill, but i remember Elim got kill 2 raids ago, ONI before him. Songz can tell you how many times he has won. Personally I really don't care who gets it, it doesn't mean much to me at all.

That's the problem. We don't get hung up on who gets the kill. We don't make aggy kill threads to brag. That's Brookie's problem, who gets the kill. Brookie said it himself, he thinks it's not right a caster can get the kill, it shouldn't even be an option in his opinion. Brookie's the only one constantly complaining rogue's are broken. He's using this thread to spread that thought into peoples mind. Mission accomplished, there's already been a Broken rogue class thread. Look at the OP in that thread, he says he made it based off suggestions he'd seen in other posts. Such as this one. Nothing he himself had seen firsthand, he's going off of suggestions!

My problem with this whole thread is Brookie is misrepresenting rogues and mages to get changes made to them based on his opinion of what they should be. He's presenting one scenario that doesn't even happen EVERYTIME like he's perpetuating it does.

He's using Yrck's druid kills to spread the whole rogue's are broken agenda, and Yrck doesn't even realize it.

Brookie isn't being transparent with everything he's saying. He says if a mage is capable and has the gear to, he should get the kill EVERYTIME. We say not true, he says we're not doing it right. But........

Fact: Rosemerta killed Aggy two days ago. The mage that Brookie complains of losing to was present at the raid. Who got the kill? A rogue.

The perfect scenario you're claiming is the norm doesn't even occur in your own world EVERYTIME like you're making it seem. You're not disclosing all your aggy kills, you're only choosing to mention mage and druid kills to strengthen your argument and get changes done the way you would like.

A day to day Mage build isn't an aggy kill build. Unlike on your world, people don't walk around with rebirths and alts and change for EVERY Aggy raid. For a caster to even have a shot at the kill they WILL have to use restores. Yrck said he used 30-40 during his kills. I use restores when I kill Aggy. Your mage uses restores to kill aggy. Stop saying they don't and stop saying they have backup energy mages to help EVERYTIME. It's not true, you know this.

No aggy kill is the same EVERYTIME. It's varies even more so between worlds. There is no perfect scenario where EVERYTIME all dps lineup and go all out blast and the casters have energy backups everytime. It doesn't even happen in your own world! Your mage took on adds your last raid. Aggy kills are team efforts. Not who gets the kill efforts YOU feel they are and are painting them to be.

+1 i agree. I know i act like kill is everything but its not. It's just something we do in clan to mess around. I agree, some aspects if the class rogue are broken, and they should be top DPS no matter what, but we can't get kill all the time. Hell last raid was an impromptu raid. I backed off dps and took out adds. Pissed me off that me and BladeZ were only one really helping. But still, when its important, kill doesnt matter.

And oNi ill do this just for you. Ill stop having the "cockiness" and flex the muscles attitude. It is our clan philosophy to take clan needs over personal.

oNi may be the most hurtful guy i know that doesnt say too much when doing it. But damn does he make sense. Ail too. Ail has the "im a nice guy act" but i know it, "hes secretly the devil