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Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#71
I absolutely admire everyone's way of completely changing the topic. :)
We started at armor, then went to Druid and
Mages and now we end up at who is a better dps : Rogue or Mage.
:shock: :D

As my part of this argument, or whatnot I would agree that rogues should be amazing in dps but that does not mean mages can't be good as well. Suppose their was a 1 v 1 fight for Crammok. A Mage vs a Rogue. If the rogue had say 800 damage it would be a close competition. (Keep in mind this is Crammok the guy in arena I think that's his name. If there is a battle for this the levels are both considerably lower than people killing Ragnor. Suppose they both are 125.) A Mage who is full dps and a H2H Mage would be quite good. The rogue would hit approximately 350-500 per auto. The Mage would have lures yet also hit 150-300 per auto hit. This significantly decreases the gap between the two. Now when a Mage starts casting , it can easily reduce the gap between the auto hits because ice shards hits 800+ and fire bolt and incinerate provide quick damage. This would be a very close battle and it would probably be the rogue winning but theage also has a chance.

The reason rogue would and should win though is because they only have one roll in the game. You might say rogue can tank but they aren't nearly as good. Mages have two good roles. They can be amazing supporters and good dps. A rogue on the other hand is EXCELLENT dps but decent tank ( for the best of them). Basically every class has two roles they can perform. When you weight them all down, they are quite closely matched.

Warrior: Extra-Ordinary Tank, Bad- Decent Dps
Mage: Amazing Support, Good Dps
Rogue: Excellent Dps, Decent Tank
Druid: Extra-ordinary support ( Heals, abundant aura, SoB, etc), Can be potentially good dps
Ranger: Amazing soloists: Good support.

Throughout the roles of these classes do even out.
At the moment mages are beating rogues at dps. And unfortunatly i can tank a little but only cause rogues dont use skills as soon as skills come in update a rogue will be crappy tank as he will lose agro. Currently i am one of the best rogues put there and time and time again i get beat by a mage on aggy in our clan... So your little thing is all wrong and thats why you see rogues complaining. No this mage is not hand to hand he is full damage spells and he has a distance advantage and he beats me while i have 1 roll and he is beating me at that. Something is wrong.

Ok back on topic armours i hope they give each class what is needed do i think they should get better fire:ice :majic resist no they dont even tank they don't need and its blessed by same people so all should be same :)
Brookie1 lvl 172+ rogue rosmerta. Best damn rogue ever! Clan awakening

Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#72
Then Brookie I am not suggesting you are not a good rogue, but I have seen countless 120-130 rouges outdps 130-138 mages.

Even if they do outdps you occasionally, that does not necessarily mean they always will. There must be a slight factor change causing them to outdps you "sometimes"
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Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#73
Then Brookie I am not suggesting you are not a good rogue, but I have seen countless 120-130 rouges outdps 130-138 mages.

Even if they do outdps you occasionally, that does not necessarily mean they always will. There must be a slight factor change causing them to outdps you "sometimes"
no 120 rogue is outdpsing a 135 mage in dps spec
Legolas15
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Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#74
Then Brookie I am not suggesting you are not a good rogue, but I have seen countless 120-130 rouges outdps 130-138 mages.

Even if they do outdps you occasionally, that does not necessarily mean they always will. There must be a slight factor change causing them to outdps you "sometimes"
no 120 rogue is outdpsing a 135 mage in dps spec
Sorry for staying off topic. It is possible for a 120 rogue to out dps a 135 mage that is in a dps build. It all depends how long the boss lasts. What I mean is, a Mage does not deal damage every second, therefore, they may not get in as many skill hits (I call them nukes sometimes) that would be necessary to catch up to regular melee. It is a theory that I believe explains why a Mage may be more likely to get the kill on a boss like aggy, where it takes long enough so that mage nukes can overtake melee.
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Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#76
That's because the mage hasn't got the top gear or doesn't know how a mage works.

When a mage reaches aggy gear his maximum dps goes up by a friggin mile! Now im telling you i have best possible gear for my class. 4 godly firefang rings 2 radiant attack rings 2 aggy dagger braclets bloodlust full radiant 15 pirece neckless 100 dagger charm. I go against presmajic every time on aggy and when we fight he wins almost every time yet his gear isn't at the maximum possible point where mine is.

Please explain to me this?
Brookie1 lvl 172+ rogue rosmerta. Best damn rogue ever! Clan awakening

Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#77
Well down at that level I myself dont know.
I compared a level 125 with a level 135, not high levels like you people :D. Anyhow the mage I know has greater ES, and the rogue doesnt even have es and still outdpsed them. You can blame the build but the rogue did get outdpsed by the mage so its 50-50 atm. You cannot blame the mage's build because he is GOOD dps. This shows that on a boss that doesnt take as much time, rogues are better. This is also said by Vraelan. What im saying is if you get the kill "SOMETIMES" OR they get it "SOMETIMES" a variable is being changed.

Not arguing but im just saying that the classes are decently balanced with mages having a slight advantage.
Mage - 196
Ranger - 182

'Not just a team, we are a country'
#ARG #daretodream

Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#78
That's because the mage hasn't got the top gear or doesn't know how a mage works.

When a mage reaches aggy gear his maximum dps goes up by a friggin mile! Now im telling you i have best possible gear for my class. 4 godly firefang rings 2 radiant attack rings 2 aggy dagger braclets bloodlust full radiant 15 pirece neckless 100 dagger charm. I go against presmajic every time on aggy and when we fight he wins almost every time yet his gear isn't at the maximum possible point where mine is.

Please explain to me this?
Im assuming because all mages have to do is vit and focus. While rogues need a balance of str, vit , and dex. So there spells get much better because theyre focus ends up being almost 1000.
Just a thought
Pdizz
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Morrigan
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Re: new adamant armour statistics?

#80
If the mage is using hand to hand then they ent close to figuring out there top dps and they are doing there class all wrong. Pure spell mages own hand to hand at high lvl.
not always tru but if the mage only had a bp his dps is going to be sub par
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