Celtic Heroes

imo mage dps isint sustainable. some of their spells get evaded etc...
and their spells take a while to load.

imo mage dps isint sustainable. some of their spells get evaded etc...
and their spells take a while to load.

There skills do get evaded but only as much as rogue hits get missed/dodged/parried etc even when they do have points invested in dex, which would inturn maintain a balance.... no?

If the mage is using hand to hand then they ent close to figuring out there top dps and they are doing there class all wrong. Pure spell mages own hand to hand at high lvl.

not always tru but if the mage only had a bp his dps is going to be sub par

How is my quote not true. A pure dps mage will use firebolt ice shards incin and firestorm. If you have all royal rings of them 2 aggy brace with fire magic. Dreadbone gear and diamond armour. Using those skills you will barely ever hit with hand as when your casting your not hittin. Now if you replace with radiant and offhand and damage rings radiant neckless etc you will lose like 300-400 focus and that will decrease your skills by a mile! And seeing as hand to hand isnt really being used. Then yes at high lvls with top gear full focus and skill using mage rocks the unfathomable outta a hand to hand one.

Because somehth mages can outdps full casting at the highest level. Its very dependent in gear and build

Overall in damage per second i have never seen a good hand to hand mage beat a good spell mage. When you put the 2 best of each against a mob with decent hp the spell mage wins everytime its not even close. Hand to hand mages get around 700 focus. Spell mages get like 1200+

I've seen it. Idk maybe you don't have a good hth build mage on ur server. Granted i still consider casting mage best dps but ive seen it

That's because the mage hasn't got the top gear or doesn't know how a mage works.

When a mage reaches aggy gear his maximum dps goes up by a friggin mile! Now im telling you i have best possible gear for my class. 4 godly firefang rings 2 radiant attack rings 2 aggy dagger braclets bloodlust full radiant 15 pirece neckless 100 dagger charm. I go against presmajic every time on aggy and when we fight he wins almost every time yet his gear isn't at the maximum possible point where mine is.

Please explain to me this?

There are times when a rogue that is a few levels below me, is able to out dps me. This case would usually occur when I happen to have a lot of my skills evaded or when the timing of the kill only allows a few of my nukes to be casted. As I explained earlier, a Mage would be more likely to get the kill on aggy because the nukes can eventually overtake the regular melee. It is a theory at least.

I believe in the situation you described above, Presmajic may not only be in a full focus build, but also using sigils alone for energy regeneration and not energy boost. This plan would allow a Mage to use 35 points, meant for energy boost, towards a dps spell. This type of Mage may be OP but there is really no fix for it. The majority of Mages still use energy boost and there are certainly many lower level Mages who depend on it. Reducing the damage of all Mages to balance out a few Mages would not be fair to the many that use energy boost as intended.

imo mage dps isint sustainable. some of their spells get evaded etc...
and their spells take a while to load.

There skills do get evaded but only as much as rogue hits get missed/dodged/parried etc even when they do have points invested in dex, which would inturn maintain a balance.... no?

I'm not too familiar with how Rogue skills "work" but I believe smoke bomb reduces the defense of a mob or boss and therefore, a rogue would miss or have their melee dodged/blocked less often. The main complaint for evade is for the fact that Mages deal massive damage in 2 main skills (firebolt and ice shards). If a firebolt is evaded, it may become balanced out by blocks/dodges/misses that a rogue would have but ice shards is roughly 2/3 of the damage a Mage does. That kind of evade is what brings up a problem and the argument for less evade, in a Mage perspective.

That's because the mage hasn't got the top gear or doesn't know how a mage works.

When a mage reaches aggy gear his maximum dps goes up by a friggin mile! Now im telling you i have best possible gear for my class. 4 godly firefang rings 2 radiant attack rings 2 aggy dagger braclets bloodlust full radiant 15 pirece neckless 100 dagger charm. I go against presmajic every time on aggy and when we fight he wins almost every time yet his gear isn't at the maximum possible point where mine is.

Please explain to me this?

There are times when a rogue that is a few levels below me, is able to out dps me. This case would usually occur when I happen to have a lot of my skills evaded or when the timing of the kill only allows a few of my nukes to be casted. As I explained earlier, a Mage would be more likely to get the kill on aggy because the nukes can eventually overtake the regular melee. It is a theory at least.

I believe in the situation you described above, Presmajic may not only be in a full focus build, but also using sigils alone for energy regeneration and not energy boost. This plan would allow a Mage to use 35 points, meant for energy boost, towards a dps spell. This type of Mage may be OP but there is really no fix for it. The majority of Mages still use energy boost and there are certainly many lower level Mages who depend on it. Reducing the damage of all Mages to balance out a few Mages would not be fair to the many that use energy boost as intended.

imo mage dps isint sustainable. some of their spells get evaded etc...
and their spells take a while to load.

There skills do get evaded but only as much as rogue hits get missed/dodged/parried etc even when they do have points invested in dex, which would inturn maintain a balance.... no?

I'm not too familiar with how Rogue skills "work" but I believe smoke bomb reduces the defense of a mob or boss and therefore, a rogue would miss or have their melee dodged/blocked less often. The main complaint for evade is for the fact that Mages deal massive damage in 2 main skills (firebolt and ice shards). If a firebolt is evaded, it may become balanced out by blocks/dodges/misses that a rogue would have but ice shards is roughly 2/3 of the damage a Mage does. That kind of evade is what brings up a problem and the argument for less evade, in a Mage perspective.

Ok your comment about me. Firstly him using pots is like me using a haste elix. Im ment to be top dps class as a rogue but he uses pots and i use haste elix and he wins... What's going on there?

2 main skills for mage are shards and bolt... Are u mad? Firebolt and incin are the 2 main skills incin hits 600+ at 39/35 so at 50 it would rock.

Lets break Down mine and presmajic gear
When we did test i had like 150 vit 120 dex and rest str (had over 3600 attack and 3100)
We tested it a few times my gear is
Bloodlust(nothing better)
Radiant chest(nothing better)
Radiant legs(nothing better)
Radian gloves(nothing better
Pathfinder boots(nothing better)
15 pirece charm(for dps nothing better)
Dreadbone dagger charm(dps nothig better)
4 godly firefang rings(for 1 test i used 2 godly and 2 radiant attack)
2 dagger str brace.
Ofc frozen weapon and fire offhand
Lures which was up was 44 assains 42 fore and 40 ice i belive. I was also on a super combo.
Tell me where i can improve my gear please... Now let me show you presmajic gear.

Crown of wiz(nothing better)
Diamon top(nothing better)
Diamond legs(nothing better
Sport shadow boots and gloves(i think those are best ones)
Fire majic dreadbone nevklace(nothing better)
Fire majic dreadbone charm(nothing better)
Offhand master grim (nothing better)
Mainhand!!! Lvl 130 fire majic book(there is something that gives another 100 fore majic and 25 focus!)
Now we get to good stuff
2 ice shard bracelets 1 focus 1 vit i believe. 1 fire and 1 ice majic and we both know both fire would be better.
Ok rings
Royal firebolt and grand...
Royal incin....
Grand ice shards.

Let me break it down what is possible.
2 focus fire majic damage brace 1 firebolt 1 iceshards
1 godly ring or fire bolt
1 godly ice shard ring
1 godly incin ring
1 royal incin ring.

That's all possible. Currently his skills are 49/35 shards. 40/35 incin. 44/35 firebolt.

Now he had more hp then me at this battle around 1.5k i believe while i had touching 1k. And he is 17 skills point of all his damage skills. Which are possible to max! Where i cant get any better gear what so ever. Not the mention he gets range advantage. So his gear is not close to being at maximum potential (i apprciate how hard it would be to get that but that still a possibility) yet he beat me with both 2 different sets of rings i used. Something is wrong.

@Brookie I'm going to break down that long post into a series of quotes and answers. (Q and A, HaHa.)

Firstly him using pots is like me using a haste elix.

No. A haste elixer increases the rate at which you deal damage. When I mentioned using a large amount of sigils instead of energy boost, I explained that the effect would be freeing up 35 skill points. That would make a far greater difference than a simple haste elixer as you would be able to max a whole new skill for dps.

Im ment to be top dps class as a rogue

I am not trying to create another large argument but I thought we agreed about Rogues and Mages having equal dps?

2 main skills for mage are shards and bolt... Are u mad? Firebolt and incin are the 2 main skills incin hits 600+ at 39/35 so at 50 it would rock.

I was indicating that firebolt and ice shards are the base skills for mages that would do the most damage in one hit and would make an evade seem almost too unfair. In relation to my response to you, a mage may choose a variety of skills, however, they would only be able to max two and still have a great lure(or lures if they are using ice shards), along with energy boost.

Currently his skills are 49/35 shards. 40/35 incin. 44/35 firebolt.

Here is your answer. Skill points are worth more than stat points. Each skill point for a mage is about 50 focus, I think. Getting 35 skill points results in the equivalent effect of 1,750 focus. It does not matter if you have a haste elixer active or 500 less health.

I'm not gret with quotes so let me do this firstly 35 skill points is not greater then a haste elix. A hate elix gives me around 45% extra dps thats firestorm skill would give a mage around 10% extra dps...



Yes without assasins lure up mages and rogues should hav equal dps. When assasins lure is up rogues should be winning by a good 20%. We don't thats what im saying i told you the simpliest way i could, check the gear....! My gear is maxed is his? Answer that.



All mages now should be fire mages. You have 3 dps skills which are fire which massivly outweigh the 1 which is ice. Yet firestorm is still your worst skill and gives hardly any extra dps.


Im telling you now those 17 extra points he has undone if they was maxed firestorm would not be needed go beat me. 6 extra in firebolt(mages best skill) 10 extra in incin! That incin will be 1k possible and firebolt 1.6k+ firestorm does same as firebolt but takes 3/4 times as long to recast.

To compare firestorm to 1750 focus(which btw is a number you pulled from no where) you are telling me that 1750 extra focus wouldnt raise your firebolt incin and iceshards to a point which is more then 1.6k damage every 25-30 seconds?! I think you are crazy. Have a think about what you said.

Pot and sigils are the same as haste elix. Pot increasing dps by decreasing downtime. I can calculate mine so i can work out the exact amount. It is around 45% extra dps from haste gloves to a haste elix. And i get extra attack from radiant gloves also. So as soon as a pop a haste elix im doing an extra 50% damage to what i was. I very much doubt a mage gets that boost from firestorm and lil less cooldown.