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Re: Hollowing Wind no works now!!

#41
I ran a test with 400 defence after the patch and it had little impact on firbolg.

I tested yesterday with -2k attack from howling wind and no impact. Such a depressing thought.
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Re: Hollowing Wind no works now!!

#43
Winds weren't nerfed per se, just mob attack went past 2k.

I still survive fine on firbolg raiders with 310 defense and a -1723 wind. I have 3k hp and lose about 1k per bolg (takes the length of about 1 vines to kill each).

Is it a good skill still for solo? Ya. Is it underpowered? No. Is it a skill I use regularly with the mob attack increase? No. Would I use it for solo still? Ya.

I understand wind was awesome, and I was a pretty darn good dps and wind druid that leveled with a mage before the nerf without ever getting hit. But really, chars have to be hit at some point, or it defeats the purpose of auto attack and druids may aswell not exist except to use wind and dps if it worked like pre nerf.
I Think it is underpowered now and I do not think it is as useful at all.

Also I think it added a different dimension to the class pre patch and it was one I enjoyed very much.

Also howling wind never had a massive effect on a lot of bosses(ow eyes excluded) so I don't understand why you would feel if it worked as it should that druids would just hw and dps. Besides I thought with mob skill hits being as high as they are this update it would add an interesting challenge to solo a gloom troll with my main.

Besides howling wind was great fun to use and most druids I know who used it never complained it made their build boring, if anything it made the class playable in a solo capacity which I thought was great it was also great if you had aggro from adds on you and you could cast hw, cast a heal on a tank then focus on the add while you waited for support. The interrupts of casts are so frustrating now it really sucks the fun out of playing.

Just fix it back to pre patch glory because it is crap now.
Nowhere in my post did I mention bosses. Skill hits aren't terribly high on the new mobs like bolgs, unless you go zapping seers and shamans. I can solo a gloom troll without a wind-based build with only vines and strike for dps also, there are other options then a dps wind druid.

I get around zilla's test2 dodge % on mobs, I don't think that's underpowered at all.

As for boss adds, your dps and other people at the boss should, and rightly so, protect the squish. Dead squish = dead team.

Re: Hollowing Wind no works now!!

#44
Dingo and i ran some tests, my results were the same but dingo was right about him. His -2k attack still had fairies hit him but then i suggested using some dex. He did so and added 250 dex. He was amazed, fairys missed every hit just like with me and we went on to test with lvl 160 firebolgs, the firebolgs with a -1.6k hw missed about 4/5 which is excellent

It seems defence plays a massive role, we yet stll have to explore many aspects of the game. More tests are needed to be done. Preferably in pvp so we have control of the variables

credit to Dingo for this also :)
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Re: Hollowing Wind no works now!!

#45
Dingo and i ran some tests, my results were the same but dingo was right about him. His -2k attack still had fairies hit him but then i suggested using some dex. He did so and added 250 dex. He was amazed, fairys missed every hit just like with me and we went on to test with lvl 160 firebolgs, the firebolgs with a -1.6k hw missed about 4/5 which is excellent

It seems defence plays a massive role, we yet stll have to explore many aspects of the game. More tests are needed to be done. Preferably in pvp so we have control of the variables

credit to Dingo for this also :)
I was shocked.

Credit to zilla for helping with this.

Soloed my first gloom troll today :D
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Re: Hollowing Wind no works now!!

#46
We will need to run some more tests on defence next time, we can test my theory of 1k defence = -2k attack howling wind

Cg on the gloom troll btw, not easy to solo them things
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Re: Hollowing Wind no works now!!

#49
Ran some test some week ago (prior to patch).

Initially did individual counting of hits and misses with and without hw on my operative setting hw=7 and did not see substantial difference in any series of 20 runs mostly against Balmon on a silent day on the server.

So as a scientist by profession i devised an as much as possible proper double blind test

My Lvl 84
Way high dex 160 (incl. trident)
Hw 20/20
Test area:
Two apparently identical 2* pirates directly behind the vendor.
Keeping one constantly (as possible) hw-ed and just healing myself
Counting only the number of bonus-misses overall.
Ran several series to 100 hits (not so easy staying alive and sometimes I got 'helped by by-passers)

Result 1: randomness has a far bigger share, than anyone acknowledges. I had streaks up to twenty hits were I recorded a result of hw minus 5% improvement.

Result 2: there is a significant difference in rate of not getting hit (independent of type) and the figures are roughly reproducible in a series of 100 hits or more

Result 3: the additional miss rate seems to be below or equal to 20%

Hypothesis 4: the skill is still utterly useless with 20 points against a 10 lvl below when u get hit 20 times less out of 100. Any mob should be long dead before u realize the difference.
If at all it is only useful in long boss fights. But the damage u can do putting the same points in vines in the same time or the healing or protection u give outweighs any benefit from hw by far in my opinion.

It's a lower level 2-cent-worth but from my current understanding of game mechanics up to now, this will get worse with increasing levels.

What worries me though are the contradicting reports about some people's successes with hw.
If this stays true with a HIGH number of samples >100 and compared to hw-less than there is same other unknown factor. But that still means, the skill is broken.
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Re: Hollowing Wind no works now!!

#50
HW gets better in the higher levels, with the focus plateau higher level solo druids have the option to go and use points in dex because focus no longer becomes useful at higher level. When you get higher level it helps quite a lot to have dex and high defence for solo
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