Celtic Heroes

You are very Noble. Yes he whines. ALOT

Hey im a level 157 rogue, i was just wondering what is our role now cause were kinda useless, mages now insanly out dps us due to the fact their firebolt combined with lures and an attunment spell is like a assinate without the restrictions and a cool down time lower than quike strike. Warriors can be dmg or tanks thanks to frenzys new time. We should get a skill to rival firebolt or get a better damage boost skill that lasts 2 minutes as far as im concerned were kinda useless now, we can't tank or be the best damage so yeah what now?

First of all, mages are not op. Second, rogues are the new support class. With expose you can help all classes stop evading so much especially poor mages that from 5 hits miss 3. Every mage should have from now on a support rogue by his side, trust me you will never see 'evaded ice blast' again! Thank you otm for this!
Now everyone needs to stop saying that mages are support and encourage rogues on the path they have been given! A few complains might pop out here and there but Im sure that in time they will come to accept and like it.
I agree a new spell should be given maybe something similar to lure of assasins? Yea? Wouldnt that be just great!
Wish you all the best and hope I could help you. Hands up for the new rogues!

As of right now, across all servers, there are:

11 Druids level 170 or above
26 Rangers level 170 or above
29 Mages level 170 or above
43 Rogues level 170 or above
47 Warriors level 170 or above.


If anyone needs a boost it's Druids and maybe Rangers....

Hey im a level 157 rogue, i was just wondering what is our role now cause were kinda useless, mages now insanly out dps us due to the fact their firebolt combined with lures and an attunment spell is like a assinate without the restrictions and a cool down time lower than quike strike. Warriors can be dmg or tanks thanks to frenzys new time. We should get a skill to rival firebolt or get a better damage boost skill that lasts 2 minutes as far as im concerned were kinda useless now, we can't tank or be the best damage so yeah what now?

First of all, mages are not op. Second, rogues are the new support class. With expose you can help all classes stop evading so much especially poor mages that from 5 hits miss 3. Every mage should have from now on a support rogue by his side, trust me you will never see 'evaded ice blast' again! Thank you otm for this!
Now everyone needs to stop saying that mages are support and encourage rogues on the path they have been given! A few complains might pop out here and there but Im sure that in time they will come to accept and like it.
I agree a new spell should be given maybe something similar to lure of assasins? Yea? Wouldnt that be just great!
Wish you all the best and hope I could help you. Hands up for the new rogues!

Just wanna say. Lures increase my dps by 500%! Expose and smoke together by about 30-40%(tested) so basically you can't compare support rogue to a support mage at all i go from 150-200 damage on bosses my same level to 900 damage with the best lures. Expose make my skills hit(at 40/35) around 50% more smoke at 47/35 makes my auto hit like 10-15% more. Works out around 40% dps taking in factors of using skills and auto at different times etc. support mages are 100x better

Comparing a support mageand rogue is like comparing mages and druids dps, there in no competition in that department.

I might whine or whatever but at least in trying to help my class.

As of right now, across all servers, there are:

11 Druids level 170 or above
26 Rangers level 170 or above
29 Mages level 170 or above
43 Rogues level 170 or above
47 Warriors level 170 or above.


If anyone needs a boost it's Druids and maybe Rangers....

Levels doesnt matter...in my server only 2 mages 160+ bcs no mage on my server setiously buys plat/dont want to level..

Levels doesnt matter...in my server only 2 mages 160+ bcs no mage on my server setiously buys plat/dont want to level..

I'd argue that toon levels are a good indication of what the player base think of the five classes right now.

The number of toons at or above 170 is a direct indication of :
(i) what classes people are prepared to spend plat on (xp lix, lux) and time on,
(ii) the relative 'power' of the classes (I.e. how hard they are to level).

Levels doesnt matter...in my server only 2 mages 160+ bcs no mage on my server setiously buys plat/dont want to level..

I'd argue that toon levels are a good indication of what the player base think of the five classes right now.

The number of toons at or above 170 is a direct indication of :
(i) what classes people are prepared to spend plat on (xp lix, lux) and time on,
(ii) the relative 'power' of the classes (I.e. how hard they are to level).

How do support druids like to train? Ohh i remember. Most refuse to train with ANYONE lower their level, and there arent many ppl above them ATM

Levels doesnt matter...in my server only 2 mages 160+ bcs no mage on my server setiously buys plat/dont want to level..

I'd argue that toon levels are a good indication of what the player base think of the five classes right now.

The number of toons at or above 170 is a direct indication of :
(i) what classes people are prepared to spend plat on (xp lix, lux) and time on,
(ii) the relative 'power' of the classes (I.e. how hard they are to level).

I totally agree.

Also expose weakness is a great skill. Great job otm.

The definition of DPS is damage per second, look at a mage's damage per second. They have much much much slower attacks, while the rogues keep adding to the sum by seconds, while mage adds to the damage pool by minute. It's just like a DPS warrior vs rogue, the warrior hits very very large and slow, while the rogue hits maybe a little weaker but faster. Every class is balanced in my opinion. What the warrior lacks in speed, it makes up with it's health. So mages are slower, so they have a DPM, damage per minute, while the rogues have DPS, damage per second. Mage - ice, fire, fire, fire, ice,- Rogue - Sneaky, Quick, Quick, Quick, Quick, Quick, (Per Minute)

The definition of DPS is damage per second, look at a mage's damage per second. They have much much much slower attacks, while the rogues keep adding to the sum by seconds, while mage adds to the damage pool by minute. It's just like a DPS warrior vs rogue, the warrior hits very very large and slow, while the rogue hits maybe a little weaker but faster. Every class is balanced in my opinion. What the warrior lacks in speed, it makes up with it's health. So mages are slower, so they have a DPM, damage per minute, while the rogues have DPS, damage per second. Mage - ice, fire, fire, fire, ice,- Rogue - Sneaky, Quick, Quick, Quick, Quick, Quick, (Per Minute)

I dont think you understand damage per second rogues are getting beat by mages so how is it balanced