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Re: Do you think the U.S.A. needs stricter gun laws?

#261
You failed to answer my criticism of you agreeing with the OP but disagreeing with us when we thought the same... And if dersu is libertarian it is Ina different context as he is from a socialist democracy... (I am unaware if he is i we under the impression that he was very liberal)
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Re: Do you think the U.S.A. needs stricter gun laws?

#262
You failed to answer my criticism of you agreeing with the OP but disagreeing with us when we thought the same... And if dersu is libertarian it is Ina different context as he is from a socialist democracy... (I am unaware if he is i we under the impression that he was very liberal)
Trick question. The OP didn't give his opinion on the topic. But to answer, no I do not think the USA needs stricter gun laws.
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Re: Do you think the U.S.A. needs stricter gun laws?

#263
Wow, I'm glad I read this all the way through. Especially Dersu's comments and statistics, thanks a bunch for those :D

To answer the OP's question, yes, I think the USA needs stricter gun laws. That doesn't mean we're going to take away your guns. That just means going through a long and tedious process to obtain guns. Will it make a difference? I believe it will. Fully automatic weapons have been heavily regulated. Do many people still own them? Yes. Are many crimes perpetrated by their owners? No, because they undergo extensive background checks, fingerprintings, several forms, and pay a $200 tax. In my opinion, assault weapons should be the same.

When someone buys a gun from an FFL, the cashier is required to do a background check with the NICS. According to the FBI site, this has led to over 100 million checks and over 700,00 denials during the last decade. This is good, but what of private sales? Yes, these are private matters, but that makes it more dangerous. However, this is something that would be very hard to enforce so I will leave it alone.
Every drivers license will also have a gun authorization defining what type of gun an individual is legally allowed to purchase.
The way to get the different authorizations will be via required training classes offered by registered training centers (I expect a large NRA participation since they are strong on safety and education)
To purchase any gun would require showing your ID. Private sellers would also need to see the ID and make a copy of it for their own protection to show they were not irresponsible and sold it to the wrong person.
The only background checks required would be for initial licensing and renewal.
So instead of focusing on registering the gun you will be registering the individuals. I don't care how many they own if they themselves are responsible.
If someone commits a crime and loses their gun rights, then that is a criminal enforcement issue which we already do with convicts.
I agree with most of this, except for the background check part. The NICS is basically a very quick background check, and takes a maximum of three days. Usually it can be done by a cashier very quickly.

I especially agree with the training part. It would bring down accidents, as well as allow civilians to deal with their problems more effectively. I think Switzerland was mentioned before. Men in Switzerland are required to undergo military training at some point in their lives. They receive an M-57 and 24 rounds that they keep in their homes. This leads to many guns in Switzerland, but in spite of all this there is very little gun related crime in Switzerland. Of course, guns and a national sense of responsibility and defense of country are deeply rooted in their culture, but I don't think the low crime rate can be entirely attributed to that.
Here's a BBC article on this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm
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Re: Do you think the U.S.A. needs stricter gun laws?

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If I may interject? Firstly, I am not from the States. So I can't justify either/or here. I am simply weighing in from my country's perspective. I come from Cape Town South Africa. Which, if you know a little about statistics, would pop up as top ten dangerous cities to live. South Africa has strict gun laws, yet gun crimes are rife. I live in a somewhat unsafe area where drug peddlers have moved in just a few houses from me. They carry guns. Illegal guns. I live as safely as I can. I do this without a gun. Cracking down on gun laws, in my opinion will not change anything about gun crimes. The crimes are usually committed by the guys who own illegal guns. untraceable guns. I simply do not feel safe wielding a gun, mainly because I am a klutz, and do not know how to properly use it, despite my dad trying desperately to teach me. As to owning a gun in self protection? I have found that violence met with violence tend to escalate matters rather swiftly. Calm and careful thinking during any situation will allow you to better judge each individual (we all have instinct) and decide when you fight, when you run, and when you calmly cooperate. But owning a gun should be a personal choice, not one that someone dictates. IF someone is found unfit to carry a gun they shouldnt own one. However I would rather a crime be committed by someone who has a traceable gun, and have that person brought to justice than have the poor police force scrambling to locate a gun that isnt traceable.
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Re: Do you think the U.S.A. needs stricter gun laws?

#269
Imo they should repeal the amendment to bear arms, back then it was ok but now it's a hazard because circumstances are different. What is the point of owning a gun at home? Even if you DO shoot and it kills them you'll be responsible for a murder which would probably ruin your life
That's what I think
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Re: Do you think the U.S.A. needs stricter gun laws?

#270
To hell with world peace. You hippies want freedom? Then shut the *** up and wage war. Gun laws are fine as they are, crime is at an all time low. Hell, if i wanna shoot someone ill just go play battlefield! War is a good thing. War=freedom. Peace=slavery

The last thing america needs is a bigger army, as if being 17 trillion dollars in debt isnt enough.
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