Celtic Heroes

I have maxed swarm, but still have not even tried vines.could somone.tell.me.which does.more damage, uses more energy.and cooldown (When maxed)? All i.remember is.that swarm used around 180 energy 20/20

Thx

When maxed out, Stinging Swarm does more damage, and consumes more energy. Since Stinging Swarm is an Area of Effect skill in terms of the target, it can hit an unlimited amount of mobs in the vicinity. If you are wanting to know how much damage each skill does on one target, then definitely Strangling Vines does more damage. On the other hand, since Stinging Swarm does an Area of Effect damage, in comparison to having limited to a single target from Strangling Vines, added up together, hypothetically Stinging Swarms does more damage up to an infinite amount. If you know what I am speaking of; since Strangling Vines only does damage to a single target and Stinging Swarm damage multiple targets, added up (for example 6 targets affected at once, in one cast), then Stinging Swarm does more damage. Be more specific please. Damage could entale that you are speaking of multiple targets at once combined, or specifically one target damage from each skill.

In terms of raw damage strangling vines will do more than stinging swarm. Vines also lasts longer.

Swarm is dealing much more dmg to players than vines so if u are a PVPer I suggest u use Sawrm, u can deal like 140 dmg on a lvl 160 whit swarm at 15

Something special about swarm is that it deals large amount of poison damage, which is a type of damage that none of the mobs have resistance to. So swarm is nice against mobs(or players) with high resistance like bosses. However it's energy consumption is a lot more than vines and duration of it's effect is 10 seconds shorter than vines.

Vines do more damage over time and it has lower energy cost so it is better to have vines for general use, but swarm has its role in boss fights or pvp i guess(i dont play pvp).

you can basically cut your vines damage in half because of monster resistance. Then compare. I don't have the numbers yet but I would guess swarm is a great choice. I'm going to max it on my next alt book.

However! Don't replace vines! Vines is a great spell. Mabye move points out of lightning or something idk.

Swarm is amazing, since no mobs (very few) have resistance to poison it is an excellent skill for leveling and bossing. The damage when leveling for me is about the same as vines where as with bosses swarm does more damage but needs to be cast more often and the energy cost is significantly larger, both are excellent skills and i would max both.

As marcus said leave a different skill out and use both

Here are the stats for a lvl 169 druid with 1316 foc... Both skills at 35/35

Vines - 1626 per tick for 30 secs (6 ticks)
262 energy
So 1626 x 6 = 9756
If you were to convert dmg to energy you would get 37.237 dmg per point of energy (9756/262).

Of course vines never hits for full power due to mob resists, more like half, which is still 4878 for the duration.

Swarm - 686 per tick to all enemies within 4m for 20 secs (4 ticks)
431 energy
431 x 4 = 1724
If you convert dmg to energy you get 4 dmg per point of energy (1724/431)

Mobs have no or very low poison resist so swarm will hit closer to its max, but it still doesn't hit at max. It does hit multiple mobs though, so potentially it can do more damage. But honestly, how often is a druid fighting multiple mobs? The only time i fight multiple mobs for xp is in a grp and it is usually not more than two at a time. Also, you have to be careful not to pull aggro by using swarm. In order for swarm to be as efficient as vines, assuming no resists and max hits on both, you would need to cast swarm on 10 mobs at once.



IMO vines is by far the better dps spell. While it is true that swarm is poison based and mobs have no poison resist, it still does not do as much dmg as vines. The energy cost is much too high compared to vines. The only time it would be better than vines is when fighting multiple mobs at once, which isn't too common imo.

I use royal, grand, and fabled rings to run vines at 47/35. At this lvl dmg is 2540 per tick at 472 energy. Vines is the best dps spell in a druids arsenal.

i am assuming you do not use much plat and do not have the best regain there is, in wich case vines beat swarm easily. my vines at 49 do approx 1k-1.6k dmg per tick on 180+ mobs, while swarm only does 400-700 dmg. if u do the math ull notice vines do almost 2.5 times the dmg, and lasts longer, plus its less energy cost. overall id go with vines, preferably both tho. personally i like the setup with vines, swarm, storm and lighting all max with rest of points devided on energy harvest and natures touch (for lvling). tho do keep in mind im a lvl 180 full dps druid that wastes tons of plat lvling and bossing cuz of this energy-sucking build

i am assuming you do not use much plat and do not have the best regain there is, in wich case vines beat swarm easily. my vines at 49 do approx 1k-1.6k dmg per tick on 180+ mobs, while swarm only does 400-700 dmg. if u do the math ull notice vines do almost 2.5 times the dmg, and lasts longer, plus its less energy cost. overall id go with vines, preferably both tho. personally i like the setup with vines, swarm, storm and lighting all max with rest of points devided on energy harvest and natures touch (for lvling). tho do keep in mind im a lvl 180 full dps druid that wastes tons of plat lvling and bossing cuz of this energy-sucking build

Hey Yrck! I find it funny because im using that exact same build as you.