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Re: Gays and lesbeins new law in the USA

#61
cant blame uzi really... not his fault he grew up in a southern state with prejudiced, republican parents
Keep politics/insults out of a civil debate, that statement is extremely offensive. I am republican and am for LGBT rights so that is a false stereotype. Kentucky is a southern state as well and the city of Lexington has one of the largest gay/lesbian populations in the country so that is a false statement as well. Prejudice exists everywhere, not just in certain states or certain political affiliations.
Not really a lesson, already knew. But the chromosomes in male and females do NOT dictate whether their child is gay. Most gays and lesbians turn that way through childhood when they discover groups that accept them. No one cares what you do as a gay or lesbian. But what people care about is when you shove it down our throats that you are.
Clearly your problem is that you are just homophobic. Every statement you are making is false, try to do some actual research. LGBT do not "turn that way" through childhood. It is inherently born into them, that is why electroshock therapy does not work. You act as though every single LGBT child only comes into existence because they are around adult LGBT who "accept them". This statement is ludicrous because far too many LGBT have grown up in households, schools, and communities where they have received ZERO support. Many have had to flee to more tolerant areas when they have come of age. Perhaps people wouldn't "shove it down our throats" if they actually received the same civil rights that the Constitution entitles them to.
^LOLOLOLOL! IF there was a genetic cause in sexual orientation, same gender couples would be able to reproduce.... End of story
There is a HUGE difference between chromosomal make-up and hormonal imbalance. Our chromosomes create who we are as humans. For same sex couples to be able to reproduce on their own, we would be talking about changing the entire human anatomy. The reason why gay/lesbian individuals exist is because of hormonal imbalances that exist before birth. Much like people who are born with physical deformities at birth, gay/lesbian individuals are born with an excess of certain hormones in their brain. These hormones determine our "sexual preference". You can't fault someone for the way fate designed them. If God did not want gay/lesbians to exist he would have made it impossible for such differences to occur.
Oh. My. Gosh. That was the SINGLE dumbest post I have EVER read in my ENTIRE LIFE! America was founded by religious men who intended for America to be based on the principles of their religion, in which one of the major rules that God said, was (paraphrase) no Homosexuality, it is wrong. "Do not sleep with a man as you would a woman". And you're saying that Christianity isn't the main religion of the U.S.? So you think Christianity should be an inferior religion in the U.S.? NO. The founding fathers would be ashamed of the mindset planted into childrens' minds in modern day. If you're not happy with your gender, sorry for your luck. (i just read your post, and yes it is a choice)
You need to re-read the founding documents of the United States of America. There is a separation of church and state. The founding fathers did not intend for the United States to be comprised of solely one religion, if they had then they would have flat out named Christianity as the religion of the United States. The founding fathers specifically left our documents free of religion. The only marks you will find are "One nation under God" which does not specify which God, only that they acknowledge that one exists. I quite frankly do not care which religion is predominant, only that our founding documents remain in place and that whatever religion the people practice they still abide by our governing laws. This nation is supposed to free our societies from the social norms that one religion is right over another and that one opinion is better than another. If you want a solely Christian nation, then I suggest you move because the United States is founded under equality for all.
so you people want to see gays/lesbians everywhere you go? thats great... :roll: theirs two different genders for a reason. Plus less babies would be born, thought bout that? anyways,any new law are stupid these day.
You act as though every single human being would be gay/lesbian if they were allowed to be. The LGBT population is at most 5% of our population. When LGBT's are no longer publicly ostracized, you will very likely not even see a difference. Our population is entirely too high as is. Thousands of children go without shelter, food, water, and family every single day across the world. We are hardly facing extinction.
If all humans have rights, who protects those rights? Who would you rather protect your rights you or the same governments that force women to wear beekeeper suits in 100+ degree heat? The same governments that will imprison you or cut off your head for not facing the proper way when you kneel down and pray to the government sanctioned god. All I am trying to say is when the chips are on the table and you have to chose for someone to stand up for your best interests, would you rather the government do it or you do it? All I know is that given history People who have relied on government,
Or any other type of decesion making body have all perished throughout time. Because the great American experiment was the greatest form ov self governance until communisim was introduced into our system which was in thecearly 1900s.
Your statement here is clearly excessive. No one is suggesting that we turn our country into an oppressive dictatorship and for you to make such a comparison to LGBT rights is mind boggling. In fact, I don't even know if you are posting on the right topic. LGBT couples exist just fine, no government could ever stop someone from being who they are. What we are arguing here is should they have the same governmental benefits as opposite sex couples. There is no American "experiment", this is the most successful government to date. Now if you support communism and don't even live in the United States, then I suggest you leave this topic because your opinions do not apply.
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Re: Gays and lesbeins new law in the USA

#62
cant blame uzi really... not his fault he grew up in a southern state with prejudiced, republican parents
Keep politics/insults out of a civil debate, that statement is extremely offensive. I am republican and am for LGBT rights so that is a false stereotype. Kentucky is a southern state as well and the city of Lexington has one of the largest gay/lesbian populations in the country so that is a false statement as well. Prejudice exists everywhere, not just in certain states or certain political affiliations.

fair enough, my apologies, edited my post
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Re: Gays and lesbeins new law in the USA

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Keep politics/insults out of a civil debate, that statement is extremely offensive. I am republican and am for LGBT rights so that is a false stereotype. Kentucky is a southern state as well and the city of Lexington has one of the largest gay/lesbian populations in the country so that is a false statement as well. Prejudice exists everywhere, not just in certain states or certain political affiliations.
fair enough, my apologies, edited my post
No worries, Pig. Debates can easily get heated when one is passionate for a particular topic.
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Re: Gays and lesbeins new law in the USA

#64
So because my parents are southern and republican you are prejudice against them?

no, sorry i got carried away. (thanks for bringing me down to earth sol)

i have nothing against people for being southern or being republicans, while i disagree with the rebublican ideals i do not hate them.
i DO hate bigots and racists
No hard feelings piggy :p
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Re: Gays and lesbeins new law in the USA

#69
I really avoided posting on this thread, because I see no positive resolution. No one entrenched in their ideas will be swayed by some forum banter. I am posting against my better judgement because there is something I wanted to throw into the conversation.

I'm not going to talk about religion, because that is pointless. I'm not going to talk about rights, nor forms of government, because those are also pointless here. And as it would be pointless, I am neither going to talk about genetics nor population bombs.

I will say this however:

I am the very proud father of a two and a half year old boy. Each and every day he makes me smile. Each and every day he makes me laugh. Each and every day he tests my patience, and with a moment of reflection I realize that he is growing and learning how the world works, and how people react. Each day he gives me a hug and a kiss when I leave for work, and most days (if he isn't napping) he runs to the window when he hears my car pull in the drive, then rushes to the door to welcome me home. I always step out of my car and look to the window, and wait before unlocking the door to hear the pat-pat-pat of his feet running down the hall. Every evening we play with cars, blocks, puzzles, read books... and he falls asleep with the utter soundness that only tuckered toddlers can achieve.

I don't know where life will take him. But I do know this. No matter what he does, I will love him the same as I do now. I will always be proud that he is my boy.

If it so happens that he is gay, will that cause me to love him less? No.
Will it cause me to be less proud of all the things he is bound to do and achieve over the next several decades? No.

As a parent, we want our children to be happy. We want them to grow into self-sufficient, upstanding members of society, sure, but above all we wish for their health and happiness. It would cause me great pain to know that my son was unhappy. It would bring me to tears to know that he was living in fear of being himself.

In the grand scheme of things, I couldn't care less if he is gay or straight. What I do care about is him and his well being. I hope that throughout his life he wakes up every morning happy to be who he is. And in a selfish sort of way... I hope he is always happy to have me as his dad.

I suspect many of your parents feel the same.
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Re: Gays and lesbeins new law in the USA

#70
I really avoided posting on this thread, because I see no positive resolution. No one entrenched in their ideas will be swayed by some forum banter. I am posting against my better judgement because there is something I wanted to throw into the conversation.

I'm not going to talk about religion, because that is pointless. I'm not going to talk about rights, nor forms of government, because those are also pointless here. And as it would be pointless, I am neither going to talk about genetics nor population bombs.

I will say this however:

I am the very proud father of a two and a half year old boy. Each and every day he makes me smile. Each and every day he makes me laugh. Each and every day he tests my patience, and with a moment of reflection I realize that he is growing and learning how the world works, and how people react. Each day he gives me a hug and a kiss when I leave for work, and most days (if he isn't napping) he runs to the window when he hears my car pull in the drive, then rushes to the door to welcome me home. I always step out of my car and look to the window, and wait before unlocking the door to hear the pat-pat-pat of his feet running down the hall. Every evening we play with cars, blocks, puzzles, read books... and he falls asleep with the utter soundness that only tuckered toddlers can achieve.

I don't know where life will take him. But I do know this. No matter what he does, I will love him the same as I do now. I will always be proud that he is my boy.

If it so happens that he is gay, will that cause me to love him less? No.
Will it cause me to be less proud of all the things he is bound to do and achieve over the next several decades? No.

As a parent, we want our children to be happy. We want them to grow into self-sufficient, upstanding members of society, sure, but above all we wish for their health and happiness. It would cause me great pain to know that my son was unhappy. It would bring me to tears to know that he was living in fear of being himself.

In the grand scheme of things, I couldn't care less if he is gay or straight. What I do care about is him and his well being. I hope that throughout his life he wakes up every morning happy to be who he is. And in a selfish sort of way... I hope he is always happy to have me as his dad.

I suspect many of your parents feel the same.
Dersu you sound like a great father :D
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