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Re: Are High Level Rogues Useless For Bosses ?

#12
First off, we don't need to hear your excessive complaints about a perfectly good skill. Second, you should be kissing otm's feet for even considering a healing skill for rogues, which had only bandage wounds pre update. Also life heal 99% of the time ranges between 1/2 - 1 of the health it says it heals. If you don't have enough heals, maybe invest in bandage wounds as well. Ps, life steal is a great investment if you have good dodging. It doesn't feel like much heal if you get hit a lot
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Re: Are High Level Rogues Useless For Bosses ?

#13
Never in my life have I read such a stupid thread of replies (thanks godo for the inquisitive question, though)

Ok, firstly:
Life steal is a good skill if you use it right. Unfortunately, it has to be reasonably high to be of good use (with rings mostly) and it is quite an energy well. But to put the skill in context, I went from 154-181 using only sigils and lifesteal for healing. Not a single resto pot used. Not one. And no druid, either.

Secondly:
If you wear armour with chaos resist, the standard chaos aoe shouldn't hurt you too badly (if it does, reconsider your lack of vitality. Right now). If you have a dedicated tank for bosses who can hold it for the entirety of a fight, just stand behind the boss and whack away so it dies before the rage timer sets off. That's the usual rogue tactic, anyway.
If you're like me and love tanking even though you were made for killing sh*t, I use my high defence as an advantage to take all the adds. Apart from high king and sreng where there are simply too many adds for one poor girl, I take adds on my own. Rogues kill quickly, and because the only adds that use skills are the trolls in snorri pit, having maxed reflex and huge dex means I rarely get touched (Im not counting glash adds, those are so weak theyre not even worth mentioning).

Thanks to dps (mostly rogues, inactive mages), for the past month or so my clan (who, on the game-wide (all servers) spectrum, isn't all too special) have been able to kill all 5* bosses before adds even respawn once. It makes our fights so much easier.

I don't even know what I've written anymore, I'm so tired.

BUT my point is rogues are FAR from useless.

And to touch and specifically on OP's point about the aoe's being "outrageously too much", get more hp and/or chaos resist. If you can't stand the lack of resist, don't wear beastbone or wyrmbone to boss fights. Simple. More health, more not being dead. Use your heads.
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PiercingHeart - 193
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Hexi - 137
Alleviate - 135

Re: Are High Level Rogues Useless For Bosses ?

#14
Never in my life have I read such a stupid thread of replies (thanks godo for the inquisitive question, though)

Ok, firstly:
Life steal is a good skill if you use it right. Unfortunately, it has to be reasonably high to be of good use (with rings mostly) and it is quite an energy well. But to put the skill in context, I went from 154-181 using only sigils and lifesteal for healing. Not a single resto pot used. Not one. And no druid, either.

Secondly:
If you wear armour with chaos resist, the standard chaos aoe shouldn't hurt you too badly (if it does, reconsider your lack of vitality. Right now). If you have a dedicated tank for bosses who can hold it for the entirety of a fight, just stand behind the boss and whack away so it dies before the rage timer sets off. That's the usual rogue tactic, anyway.
If you're like me and love tanking even though you were made for killing sh*t, I use my high defence as an advantage to take all the adds. Apart from high king and sreng where there are simply too many adds for one poor girl, I take adds on my own. Rogues kill quickly, and because the only adds that use skills are the trolls in snorri pit, having maxed reflex and huge dex means I rarely get touched (Im not counting glash adds, those are so weak theyre not even worth mentioning).

Thanks to dps (mostly rogues, inactive mages), for the past month or so my clan (who, on the game-wide (all servers) spectrum, isn't all too special) have been able to kill all 5* bosses before adds even respawn once. It makes our fights so much easier.

I don't even know what I've written anymore, I'm so tired.

BUT my point is rogues are FAR from useless.

And to touch and specifically on OP's point about the aoe's being "outrageously too much", get more hp and/or chaos resist. If you can't stand the lack of resist, don't wear beastbone or wyrmbone to boss fights. Simple. More health, more not being dead. Use your heads.

Thanks for saving everyone the words on that. You nailed it
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Re: Are High Level Rogues Useless For Bosses ?

#17
Rogues are still useful but not as much as they could be.. All DL Bosses defence needs reducing drastically. Same for Hrungnir or casters will be getting every kill.
Yeah. It comes to a point where maxing smokebomb doesn't help much at all
We have a 50/40 Smoke Bomb at almost all bosses.. Still see 'miss, miss, miss, dodge, miss, parry, 264, 321, dodge, dodge' etc...
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Re: Are High Level Rogues Useless For Bosses ?

#18
We have a 50/40 Smoke Bomb at almost all bosses.. Still see 'miss, miss, miss, dodge, miss, parry, 264, 321, dodge, dodge' etc...[/quote]

Exactly, I have royal, grand, and skill points from armor and wep for that skill its way over maxed and yet people still be missing like crazy. Love my rogue just I personally hate dragonlord bosses. Especially when some enrage.
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Re: Are High Level Rogues Useless For Bosses ?

#19
Funny, I don't see that on our bosses and we rarely have smoke bomb on. But i don't think rogues have a right to complain, because out of the 200 quickstrikes, 400 sneakys and other assorted highly-resisted physical attacks I see my completely unresisted 2000-2800 shadowstrikes. So I'm not complaining, I still get kills very frequently over druids and mages.
Belenus
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Kiyarah - 222
PiercingHeart - 193
Kiystroyer - 139
Hexi - 137
Alleviate - 135

Re: Are High Level Rogues Useless For Bosses ?

#20
Honestly the aoe isnt a problem for me anymore. Its that no tank i know can keep a goddam boss off me. I stocked on heroic hastes to max my dps and it seems like every time im on one i die like 5-10 times a fight from pulling aggro onto myself. You can try to run away but without a heroic traveler you really don't have enough time to escape as it takes a second or 2 to even start moving after you auto, and most of em auto 2k plus which is almost half my health. Ik this isnt the tanks fault, they spam taunt trying to keep aggro it just isnt enough. Also distract doesnt seem to be working like it use to be. I could have it maxed, spam it , have it hit every time and still be pulling aggro. Please help this is very annoying, making me not even want to help with bosses really anymore.
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