Celtic Heroes

if the tank is facing someone with decent regens theyre gonna lose...
the damage they deal will almost cancel with regens (maybe only deal like 30 damage per hit after regens kick in)

and the tank will also have zero offensive skills because they will max tank skills like defensive formation, enduring gaurd, taunt, warcry, protective stance, shield bash, shield wall

anyone that has an offensive skill is NOT a full tank
they would be a tank-hybrid

That is so not true. A full tank doesn't hit about 30dmg? Wtf? Not even close. I tested it also. I removed all dmg items, and switched to full tank. Full frozen, shield, full tank skills and full vit. I destroyed. They can do around 100dmg and only take in around 100dmg. Also, shield bash is a beast skill. I would spam that skills and they could barely hit me. Tanks are not going to lose against another player that has good regen, unless you are a really bad tank.

if the tank is facing someone with decent regens theyre gonna lose...
the damage they deal will almost cancel with regens (maybe only deal like 30 damage per hit after regens kick in)

and the tank will also have zero offensive skills because they will max tank skills like defensive formation, enduring gaurd, taunt, warcry, protective stance, shield bash, shield wall

anyone that has an offensive skill is NOT a full tank
they would be a tank-hybrid

wow... really? are u trolling us or u really mean that
anyway, i can show u a tank that when hes using his dps gear (still full tank build, 5 str base) he has over 1.5k dmg
drkgrunt, a full lvl 191 tank, even with full tank gear, he has full dl (except offhand), dl wep has 2770 speed, 350 attack and 150 slash dmg, even with 5 str it gives lot of dmg (30 dmg after regen... good one)
pre update when my shield bash was on lvl 30, it did more than my melee on pvp, +the 5 secs stun
when using shield wall u need lots of dmg in pvp to break it
defensive formation with the huge amount of vit gives lots of defence which means high dodge from melees
the proc stance gets much better as well

anyway, if u really think regen is the way to beat a tank, ur so wrong, if theres something that can win a full tank is a druid with novelty + roots, rooting, vines, swarm, strike, running, which is a *** way to fight

i wasnt talking about a tank with his dps gear...im talking about a guy with a sword and a shield with quest armor with every point in vit and not a single offensive skill

shield bash = offensive
i accidently listed that earlier in the tanks skills section

a full tank would never survive
enduring guard is terrible in pvp but it is a good tank skill and is maxed
taunt is no use in pvp
defensive formation will only help you dodge 2-3 attacks in a match
proc stance is always helpful...but other warrior will have this skill maxed too

the sword would deal 120 damage (assuming adamant sword?)
the strength would not help or affect damage that much since it is at 5

no other gear should help strength because you are full tank

offhand is a shield = no damage

now assuming the enemy has decent armor that can block 120 damage...
im thinking maybe 60-80 of that damage will get through

but people have regens...a talisman of earth would counter 30 of that damage
and any other regens would reduce the dmg even further...

and im talking about someone my level...for someone lvl 190...they would probably deal more...

of course a lvl 190 would deal more than 30 damage -.-
and defensive formation btw will not give you that many dodges... *tested*
gives you 2-3 dodges if maxed and with no dex

i wasnt talking about a tank with his dps gear...im talking about a guy with a sword and a shield with quest armor with every point in vit and not a single offensive skill

shield bash = offensive
i accidently listed that earlier in the tanks skills section

a full tank would never survive
enduring guard is terrible in pvp but it is a good tank skill and is maxed
taunt is no use in pvp
defensive formation will only help you dodge 2-3 attacks in a match
proc stance is always helpful...but other warrior will have this skill maxed too

the sword would deal 120 damage (assuming adamant sword?)
the strength would not help or affect damage that much since it is at 5

no other gear should help strength because you are full tank

offhand is a shield = no damage

now assuming the enemy has decent armor that can block 120 damage...
im thinking maybe 60-80 of that damage will get through

but people have regens...a talisman of earth would counter 30 of that damage
and any other regens would reduce the dmg even further...

Ok, first off, shield bash is a tank skill. A hybrid doesn't use shields. Dps doesn't use shields. Tanks do. So its a tank skill. Secondly, lvls 100+ full tanks with shield bash can demolish other classes in pvp (except tanky hybrid warriors). Last, most tanks use blunt/axe weapons.

why would a tank want an offensive skill...
it doesnt make any sense for a full tank to use an offensive skill...

why would a tank want an offensive skill...
it doesnt make any sense for a full tank to use an offensive skill...

Its not very offensive since it lasts for 5 seconds and the recharge takes triple of its actual effect till ur next cast compared to sweeping blows what will hit more?
@ferocious shield bash isnt a skill able to be spammed and the way most normal duels go there would be a max 1-4 bashes in it.

Shield bash is ment for tanks to help himself get a breather when tanking a boss who does quite a bit of dammage

Also at lvl 108 i was able to do 150-200 dmg every hit while on a full vitat build and warden bp and astral armour with a shield. Idk what tanks u know that lvl that do that little dammage but thats sad 30 dmg a hit.( notice this is pre update when i was this lvl)

ummm im talking about against another player ally that is totally luxed out (regens)
of course against mobs you would be able to deal more

and i thought that shield bash was more of a support skill
you use in a boss fight on the boss so you can take zero damage for a few seconds and your group can keep smashing the thing

ummm im talking about against another player ally that is totally luxed out (regens)
of course against mobs you would be able to deal more

and i thought that shield bash was more of a support skill
you use in a boss fight on the boss so you can take zero damage for a few seconds and your group can keep smashing the thing

"To take zero damage" exactly. ProcStance is to take less dmg, DefFormation does the same. Shield Wall (something like that) also helps to take zero damage. They all have that in common. So yep, it's a tank skill. Unless all skills that reduce damage take or remove all damage take for a bit are not tank skills. Then ProcStance wouldn't be. Shield wall wouldn't be. Etc.

@ferocious shield bash isnt a skill able to be spammed and the way most normal duels go there would be a max 1-4 bashes in it.

I don't spam it.. I know I can't spam it. I use it right after recharge, and use it to interrupt spells/skills