Celtic Heroes

If he didn't 'aquire' it himself then he's guilty by association. Point Blank.

The most point blank issue that you guys don't seem to get is that someone had to buy it from the scammer in order to get it back.

If it wasn't my clannie, then either you, azz, or maybe gin could have bought it directly from the scammer and they would have been out the 1 million or whatever the price would have been.

Unless you are saying that my clannie is the one that scammed it initially, then there is no point in making him take the fall or pay the price for this.

I know people who refused to buy because it was obviously not legit.

Does that make them innocent? By not buying it and trying to get it back, they could have let it slip away forever.

He KNOWINGLY BOUGHT STOLEN PROPERTY AND SOLD IT FOR PROFIT! What dont you understand? Why does me or anyone else buying it back make it OK? I know youre trying to stick up for your clan mate but its futile. He knows what he did and its wrong. Im finished with it.

Neek is Neek. He has a reputation hes earned. I'll tell you all now, he knows it was stolen/scammed and just wanted to sell it. I KNOW this. Think what you want. Shady business all around and I know people who refused to buy because it was obviously not legit. If he didn't 'aquire' it himself then he's guilty by association. Point Blank.

+1.

Question: who the *** sell camo charm?
Answer: None.

Question: why he wont hold it to his self if it is a valuable item?
Answer: Becase he knows it is not legitm.nits a stoled item and wanted get advantage of this.

Everything what come easy, goes easy. If him dont wanna make it right, fine. His choice. But 90% of high lvls agreed about something to do. U will know soon.


Done.

It's a game. You people are making this a problem for everyone. The person who bought the charm bought stolen merchandise but PAID for it, and now you people are trying to make him pay again! What I don't understand is why ginger is having someone else pay for his problem? Why should Azz or The buyer in question or Elixir clan pay for this guys mistake? They shouldn't , he made the mistake of getting scammed idk how and unfortunately has to suffer the consequence. Yes it's a horrible thing that he got scammed but these things happen. Cant do anything about it. So hopefully everyone can just forget this since people are scammed everyday and no one makes a big deal about it then.

I have been trying to play Devil's Advocate and give the player in question the benefit of the doubt. However, additional information from the player has strained this position to the breaking point. I do not hold the actions of one player against Elixir but, I am done with this player.

Forget the gold. This is beyond making financial reparations.

Question: who the *** sell camo charm?
Answer: Someone who can't afford to keep it.

Question: why he wont hold it to his self if it is a valuable item?
Answer: Because a million in gold is a lot for most of us.

You guys don't seem to want to answer the issue that ultimately someone had to buy it.

Virulent says that my clannie "KNOWINGLY BOUGHT STOLEN PROPERTY AND SOLD IT FOR PROFIT!."

Be that as it may, he gave the profit back. And that should have ended the issue.

What would have happened to the charm if he had not bought it? Would you guys have publicly shamed the scammer into just giving it back? You guys are getting good at the shaming thing, which BTW, is against OTM Harassment and Abusive Language Policy, but I doubt you could have gotten it back if you didn't know who the scammer really was.

It seems to me that people are now treating this person as a scammer. When he did no such thing. The camo charm in question was indeed scammed, so technically Azz bought the same scammed charm that we're talking about.
What you seemed to propose is that the camo charm that he had to pay for be specifically GIVEN to Azz. After purchasing from the scammer you expect him to give it away? There is no logic in this.
I personally plan to pay Azz for it at least partially, as I would have bought back for Gin myself had I been present. But *Blank* should be under no pressure to pay Azz at all. He should have not tried to sell it for profit which seems to be the biggest issue, and did not know Gin well enough to give it back himself, so instead he sold to Azz who returned it to Gin. Gin should be thankful he sold it. After all, there are many players on this game who would have paid the 1mil and then simply kept it. Wouldn't try to sell it or return it etc. He was willing to sell and because of that, Gin has had it returned. Asking Neek to completely refund what Azz paid is just absurd. Same as you wouldn't expect Gin to simply GIVE the charm to someone that asked, you should not expect *Blank* to do it.

As far as I can tell, returning the profit settled the issue. Any continued discussion or pressure just furthers the shaming, nothing else.

Helicopter, why in the work would u pay him more money? What these players are doing is basically a scam too. Pressuring someone to give away profit then ask for full repayment and to bear the player who purchased. It's wrong. Wouldnt get 1 single gold piece from me

No issue against elixir. Person specifically. I know things that were said and how it was attempted to be sold. Enough for me plus previous rep... Final. If he wasnt called out he wouldnt have given back or attempted reparations. If I rob a bank then give money back im not innocent all of a sudden. I know its a game but with that myself and others have a choice not to deal with such persons. Choice has been made.

Helicopter, why in the work would u pay him more money? What these players are doing is basically a scam too. Pressuring someone to give away profit then ask for full repayment and to bear the player who purchased. It's wrong. Wouldnt get 1 single gold piece from me

Because Gin made a mistake and got it stolen, I would have attempted to get it back for him if I could. I wasn't online and in a roundabout way, Azz got it back. I'm just going to lessen the hit he took.

No issue against elixir. Person specifically. I know things that were said and how it was attempted to be sold. Enough for me plus previous rep... Final. If he wasnt called out he wouldnt have given back or attempted reparations. If I rob a bank then give money back im not innocent all of a sudden. I know its a game but with that myself and others have a choice not to deal with such persons. Choice has been made.

The person did not rob the bank. He merely bought what was stolen from the bank.
If someone loses their iPod, they often put word out about it being stolen, and offer a cash reward. If someone had bought the stolen iPod, they are not expected to freely give it back and take the loss. They are compensated at least to some extent.
Being forced to give an item that was paid for is not right, whether or not the item was stolen.

I also do not claim to know any particulars about any buying/selling, but I do know that Gin ended up with it and no profit was made. Because no profit was made, it's as if Azz purchased the charm directly from the scammer, it truly is the same. If you expect Azz to be fully reimbursed by who he bought it from, you should be expecting Azz not to be paid at all by those wishing to lessen the hit he took. In the end, Azz purchased the stolen camo and gave it back to the original owner. *Blank* is not required to pay Azz in full any more than I am. Or Roger is. Or Virulent is.