Celtic Heroes

Incorrect, people who have fully died, are resuscitated daily.

In general, people who agree to say god created the events explained by science i can accept as a rational way of thinking as i understand it can be hard to imagine somethig from nothing.

Those who are close minded in their belief that science is a farce made up by people to deny religion i abhor. I try to be open minded, i understand why people believe in god. I do not accept any form of close mindedness or bigotry with the excuse of religion.

Science is Creation. That is what we believe. Christianity is not a state of mind, it is the belief of God that comes from the spirit, not the brain. Scientists cannot explain to me how we know right from wrong, how we know if we are naked or not, etc. You can't tell me we just developed a sense of nakedness or we just learned to judge situations from instinct. Evolutionists also believe are bodies simply turn to dust and that's it. Nothing after that we are just gone. That is so sad and cold-hearted.

Incorrect, people who have fully died, are resuscitated daily.

In general, people who agree to say god created the events explained by science i can accept as a rational way of thinking as i understand it can be hard to imagine somethig from nothing.

Those who are close minded in their belief that science is a farce made up by people to deny religion i abhor. I try to be open minded, i understand why people believe in god. I do not accept any form of close mindedness or bigotry with the excuse of religion.

the guy was Fully dead, he had No heartbeat.

Yes that happens every day.

You are very close minded. There is more than sufficient evidence, the bible is not only historically correct but also scientifically correct. I'll just give you one science one or I could be here all day.

Some might find it especially remarkable that Eratosthenes knew that the earth is round. After all, up until just a few hundred years ago, even some wise men involved in science believed that the earth was flat. The ancient Greeks had deduced the earth’s shape from their scientific observations. However, about 500 years before Eratosthenes, a Hebrew prophet was inspired to write: “There is One [God] who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) Isaiah was no scientist. How did he know that the earth was round? It was divine inspiration that revealed this truth.

Unfortunately rude human beings such as yourself are also, living, proof there is a creator, unless you believe, somehow there was a huge explosion, accidentally creating a planet, accidentally creating humans along with other thousands of species, oh it also accidentally created male and female, which by total coincidence could procreate and inhabit the earth with offspring, they also accidentally happened to be on the perfect planet that would sustain life, and by mere coincidence has a giant star providing energy, heat, and who knows what else, right there, at the perfect distance from us.



So then why is it there is so much violence, hunger, natural disasters, theft and war in this world if there is a God? I do have the answer for that, however these words would be falling upon death ears and I would be wasting my time. I don't expect a child (yes bandit 14 years old is still a child) to understand topics of the sort. Anyway, see ya.

Very touching. This is what I call a dedicated supporter. People should learn

Im 13, and bandit (assuming your the origianal poster, if not im sorry, this is directed at the origianal poster) your 14, I should expect my elder to be wise, but you... How could you post this, did you think the Christians playing ch would just say 'hey, I'm fine with that guy trash-talking my beliefs!' No, you were looking for a fight, and you've managed to offend, and disregard other human beings, Luthias, consider this, and then say that he is innocent, thanks to all the supporters of Christianity, May God blass you all, he knows your doing the right thing, and that you are fighting in his name, and haters, I'm praying that you accept Jesus before you are bieng judged before him, and that you do not suffer eternal pain.

I believe in god and Jesus's not fully but half and science half don't insult religions your being an ***

You are very close minded. There is more than sufficient evidence, the bible is not only historically correct but also scientifically correct. I'll just give you one science one or I could be here all day.

Some might find it especially remarkable that Eratosthenes knew that the earth is round. After all, up until just a few hundred years ago, even some wise men involved in science believed that the earth was flat. The ancient Greeks had deduced the earth’s shape from their scientific observations. However, about 500 years before Eratosthenes, a Hebrew prophet was inspired to write: “There is One [God] who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) Isaiah was no scientist. How did he know that the earth was round? It was divine inspiration that revealed this truth.

Unfortunately rude human beings such as yourself are also, living, proof there is a creator, unless you believe, somehow there was a huge explosion, accidentally creating a planet, accidentally creating humans along with other thousands of species, oh it also accidentally created male and female, which by total coincidence could procreate and inhabit the earth with offspring, they also accidentally happened to be on the perfect planet that would sustain life, and by mere coincidence has a giant star providing energy, heat, and who knows what else, right there, at the perfect distance from us.



So then why is it there is so much violence, hunger, natural disasters, theft and war in this world if there is a God? I do have the answer for that, however these words would be falling upon death ears and I would be wasting my time. I don't expect a child (yes bandit 14 years old is still a child) to understand topics of the sort. Anyway, see ya.

Very touching. This is what I call a dedicated supporter. People should learn

Im 13, and bandit (assuming your the origianal poster, if not im sorry, this is directed at the origianal poster) your 14, I should expect my elder to be wise, but you... How could you post this, did you think the Christians playing ch would just say 'hey, I'm fine with that guy trash-talking my beliefs!' No, you were looking for a fight, and you've managed to offend, and disregard other human beings, Luthias, consider this, and then say that he is innocent, thanks to all the supporters of Christianity, May God blass you all, he knows your doing the right thing, and that you are fighting in his name, and haters, I'm praying that you accept Jesus before you are bieng judged before him, and that you do not suffer eternal pain.

I believe in god and Jesus's not fully but half and science half don't insult religions your being an *****

Hey, let's not judge Bandit, though. We don't really know him personally, and, of course, his reputation isn't the best, but we don't know what's going on in his life, and he might actually be looking into in a post that looks bashing to we that understand how disrespectful this is. If he is smart, he'll change this title, but let's ask him what he's actually doing making a post with a rude name like this. Why Bandit?

Also, I just wanted to say, SpiritHealer what you typed was just awesome. That was what I was thinking tonight simplified in a meaningful, credible post. Thank you.

Indeed, the thread title is simply incorrect. I suppose it could also be seen as offensive.

But anyway, there is a lot of evidence for the existence of Jesus the man, and most scholars of antiquity agree on his existence.

Jesus exists in several non-Christian sources, most importantly by the Roman historian Tacitus. Tacitus was writing about 50 years after the death of Jesus, and is believed to have had access to original source documents. The great thing about Tacitus is that he was a staunch Roman (ie. not sympathetic to Christianity) and he was also a very honest writer. Though he doesn't always state where his findings come from, what he does do is footnote himself to let the reader know when something is suspect, or without proof. He parts on Christ have no such footnotes, and are thus viewed as accurate and confirmed by himself.

He confirms the existence of Jesus, and also confirms that Jesus was crucified by order of Pontius Pilat.

Jesus is found in other non-Christian sources as well, so to say that there is "no proof what-so-ever" that Jesus existed is incorrect. There is plenty of proof.


As for God, that can be a tough one to crack for most. I think it depends on how you view existence.

Personally, I am a bit of a fan of Descartes on this front. Descartes shows existence through our ability to doubt. Essentially, he says that one can doubt their surroundings or physicality [ie. one might be in some dreaming, or drug induced state ... to give it a modern flare, one might be plugged into the Matrix ] So while one can doubt their physical existence, one cannot doubt that they are, in fact, doubting. That is to say, I must exist if I am able to doubt my existence. Or as the common way of saying it goes: "I think, therefore I am."

I generally apply a reverse approach to existence when it comes to God, in that the mere thought of God manifests its existence. In a Cartesian sense, you can doubt god... but you cannot doubt that you are doubting God.

God very much exists for many people in the world. Have a look at images or video of Mecca, and you will see thousands upon thousands of believers simultaneously praying. Have a look around a hospital, and see people praying that their loved ones get better. Take a look at Martyrs who were willing to die for their beliefs. Several people on this thread have also made testament to their beliefs. To those people, there is no doubt in the existence of God. God is, therefore, real.

Now... is there some being or power? Who knows. I don't think so, but it doesn't matter... the fact that people believe in God makes God real. If you doubt the reality of a belief, try to calm a child who believes the Boogieman will come get him at night. The Boogieman is very real. And this brings us back to Descarte, I suppose, who shows us that the mind is a very powerful source of reality.

Meh. Just my take on it.

Hi Spirit! Nice to see you back on the forums.

I mean you no offense, but I am going to take you to task with regarding a few of your claims.

Some might find it especially remarkable that Eratosthenes knew that the earth is round. After all, up until just a few hundred years ago, even some wise men involved in science believed that the earth was flat. The ancient Greeks had deduced the earth’s shape from their scientific observations. However, about 500 years before Eratosthenes, a Hebrew prophet was inspired to write: “There is One [God] who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) Isaiah was no scientist. How did he know that the earth was round? It was divine inspiration that revealed this truth.

This is largely inaccurate. There is nothing really remarkable about Eratosthenes knowing that. By the time he was writing and calculating, the round Earth was pretty much accepted by all. He simply helped to prove the theory.

The true revolutionary is said to be Pythagoras in the 6th c, BCE. He and others of the time theorized about a round Earth. It was quite common a belief by the time of Socretes, and certainly by the time Eratosthenes; his work builds on earlier work.

Before Pythagoras, though, most civilizations believed in a flat Earth as your quoted scripture illustrates. I think you are misreading it, in that the Earth of the Old Testament is quite clearly flat. This would be supported by circle (sometimes translated as disc) in your quote, and certainly not a sphere.

Now... as for the whole wise men through the middle ages believed the world was flat, you have bought into the Flat Earth Myth. No, the people of the middle ages knew the world was round. Scientists certainly did, though the uneducated might not have. A fair amount of the flat Earth in the CE (when it is found) is from the Church, perhaps due to literal readings of the Bible.

The myth is a 19th or 20th century creation. For example, the myth also states that Columbus' contemporaries said he would fall off the Earth. This is untrue. Everyone knew the Earth was round. The only question that needed answering was how far to India.

I've altered the title of this topic, as the original was making some people uncomfortable.

Like I said before, I have no issue with the topic itself, and it is fantastic to see the majority of people discussing it in a polite and constructive manner.

However, I do want to make sure that everyone feels comfortable when visiting the forum which is why I've altered the title.

Finally he changed the damn name.