Celtic Heroes

Just in case anyone was wondering, here is the exact conversation that led to "plan z"

Bahahahahaha, totally how it went down. Where did you get the secret footage of the meeting?

I'm not too much into clan politics, nor am I into forum flame wars. But isn't taking the dl bank, and saying you can have the aggy/hrung (assuming there was anything in these banks) bank a little like a husband leaving his stay at home wife and telling her that he took all their money and bought himself a Mercedes , but it's ok because she can keep the minivan, then saying by rights it was his money because she didn't have an income?

Theres too much to reply to so I will try be brief.

Most these arguments are simply us repeating our opinions of what happened bla bla bla. No point in saying what has already been said over and over again.

Just a few things, wretch, bella and asc did things that warranted kicking. They both broke textbook rules and there is no excuse. If they were left untouched it would indicate that anyone could do similar things with no consequence.. say somebody could give items to other clans and not be kicked. Your words show why the bada split was inevitable, bella and asc had too much influence in clan, more than chief. Basically we had too many chiefs not enough indians. Doc dont fool yourself, bella did not leave to avoid drama. She left on her rogue but her other accs remained in bada until kicked by smelly.

Do not try rationalize plan z. It lasted longer than 3-4 days. It happened and cannot be undone, it shows the true character of people, just like the bank incident does. Was there a cause to it? Yes, I understand why it happened I have no issue there, I dislike that people try to forget it ever happened and change yet refuse to acknowledge that others too can change. Just so hypocritical and narrow-minded.

Finally, please read what I write carefully. I never mentioned the outcome of the boycott. I said I disliked the way in which it was done. Why couldnt you guys just tell phur what you were doing instead of stupid 'waiting for glad" comments, wretch u were one of people who guilty there. Also I never once said that scamming was ok, do not try, no matter how pathetically, to manipulate my words. I explicitly said that it was not ok, but it was overstated. Ok and overstated are two very different things.

Carona, why u assume its the husband that always leaves? Seems sexist to me!
But really, u seem to 4get that although the husband took the merc and cash, left wife the house and minivan. The hrung and aggy items are not worthless in comparision to dl items, very much the opposite. If they were useless I would not have seen many bada members using those bank items.

Well i didnt manage to be brief....

Theres too much to reply to so I will try be brief.

Most these arguments are simply us repeating our opinions of what happened bla bla bla. No point in saying what has already been said over and over again.

Just a few things, wretch, bella and asc did things that warranted kicking. They both broke textbook rules and there is no excuse. If they were left untouched it would indicate that anyone could do similar things with no consequence.. say somebody could give items to other clans and not be kicked. Your words show why the bada split was inevitable, bella and asc had too much influence in clan, more than chief. Basically we had too many chiefs not enough indians. Doc dont fool yourself, bella did not leave to avoid drama. She left on her rogue but her other accs remained in bada until kicked by smelly.

Do not try rationalize plan z. It lasted longer than 3-4 days. It happened and cannot be undone, it shows the true character of people, just like the bank incident does. Was there a cause to it? Yes, I understand why it happened I have no issue there, I dislike that people try to forget it ever happened and change yet refuse to acknowledge that others too can change. Just so hypocritical and narrow-minded.

Finally, please read what I write carefully. I never mentioned the outcome of the boycott. I said I disliked the way in which it was done. Why couldnt you guys just tell phur what you were doing instead of stupid 'waiting for glad" comments, wretch u were one of people who guilty there. Also I never once said that scamming was ok, do not try, no matter how pathetically, to manipulate my words. I explicitly said that it was not ok, but it was overstated. Ok and overstated are two very different things.

Carona, why u assume its the husband that always leaves? Seems sexist to me!
But really, u seem to 4get that although the husband took the merc and cash, left wife the house and minivan. The hrung and aggy items are not worthless in comparision to dl items, very much the opposite. If they were useless I would not have seen many bada members using those bank items.

Well i didnt manage to be brief....

Firstly, i'm not sure what "textbook rules" were in place. If this includes asking people to show up for bosses we camped our asses off for or challenging dictatorships then by all means it's warranted. Show me a rule they actually broke, not hypothetical rules and guidelines which vary from person to person in order to suppress their voice or opinion. Also, the split was only partially about bella and asc, which was also in the voting and was also nullified through dictatorial power. Bella left on her rogue and in 5 mins the others were kicked, please tell me where you say she left her other chars in. Even sydney fell under this. Your arguments seem to have gone from one topic to a scattershot of lines that you hope stick. I hope you're happy knowing as long as you're in res you have no say in anything that happens.

I never rationalized a plan z and won't, please read my posts carefully.

I never once said I was waiting for killain during the boycott, don't accuse me of something I myself did not do. As I said before, I was caught on the phone and didn't show up until 5 minutes or so after the expected hrung time, I don't know what happened before I logged but I made it very clear once we all were in the arena that something needed to change. Your analogy of "overstatement" pertains to scamming, in this you say scamming 200k would be better than 2 mil. Even though you say you don't condone scamming, you still equate it to a harmless act of misjudgment. The banks were not a harmless act, they, along with many other events, were supposed to erase Badabing from history. It didn't happen and won't happen.

My turn to try and be brief. Lol

Honestly, I really did not see too many chiefs. There was a groups of chiefs (generals) that wanted to make decisions for themselves and not the entire clan and another group of chiefs that were against it. That was the whole reason of voting. For this moment of complicated thoughts and feelings, we could simplify it in a vote that would make us all Indians and the majority would decide the case.

Wait, now wretched is guilty as well...? What have these people done? People in both clans have left bada and helped outside whilst cooling off from some in clan drama. Bella left on her rogue and within a minute, her alts were raged kicked. It was really just a race to who could remove the chars the fastest between both parties.

Plan Z was within a week... I honestly do not remember exactly how many days but I do remember having come up with the joke term on some Sunday and by the end of the week, when I become more active, it was over. Rightly so. You are correct, it does show true nature. However, it is a natural reaction of striking back. I fail to see how theft, which was arguably considered planned, is any immediate natural reaction in human nature... Resurgence could have simply started doing dl bosses and earn the drops for themselves. Is that not how someone starts over? That is not to say Plan Z was something that should have happened, but human nature is human nature. There are changes here and there but all actions are forever based on the sad human code.

I do believe people can change. If you have read what squid has written and the post I made a couple weeks ago concerning this, you may understand where the problems comes in.

The boycott situation should have been made more publicised but it was being dealt with in pms and a gen group. I am not trying to degrade you but there are lots of things said in various pms and groups that can seriously impact your perspective on this whole situation and you missed quite a bit of them.

Also I never once said that scamming was ok, do not try, no matter how pathetically, to manipulate my words.

Is this directed to me? I do not see where I have made these accusations towards you...

Most of that post is recycled opinion, nothing we havnt heard before. My reply would be the same so no point in commenting on some parts.

There were too many chiefs, clans can only have a couple but we had more, and they had conflicting ideas. One group wanted to expand clan and other did not. This part about making decisions for themselves, that is like saying that govts cannot make decisions unless the people say yes, not the case in many countries. People typically think in the short term while, in this case, chief and gens were lookin at the big picture (aiming for final boss). Turns out they were right, did need more people to kill mordy.

Bella did not just leave, she kicked someone else from the clan first. Also her other toons were not kicked within minutes... I was there when it all happened, she left and a couple hours later I invited smelly back in. But he could not kick her until he got promoted higher than clansman, which I could no do. It all happened over several hours not minutes....

That final part was directed at wretch, a bit unclear on my part.

Nice that was a bit more brief than before

Most of that post is recycled opinion, nothing we havnt heard before. My reply would be the same so no point in commenting on some parts.

There were too many chiefs, clans can only have a couple but we had more, and they had conflicting ideas. One group wanted to expand clan and other did not. This part about making decisions for themselves, that is like saying that govts cannot make decisions unless the people say yes, not the case in many countries. People typically think in the short term while, in this case, chief and gens were lookin at the big picture (aiming for final boss). Turns out they were right, did need more people to kill mordy.

Bella did not just leave, she kicked someone else from the clan first. Also her other toons were not kicked within minutes... I was there when it all happened, she left and a couple hours later I invited smelly back in. But he could not kick her until he got promoted higher than clansman, which I could no do. It all happened over several hours not minutes....

That final part was directed at wretch, a bit unclear on my part.

Nice that was a bit more brief than before

America, the greatest super power in the world, somehow survives by asking people to make decisions through voting. Seems to work well, at least to me anyway. As for mord, Quality over quantity helps also. As I've stated countlessly, yes most usk would have been invited. No I would not have been upset. There's expanding, and then there's complete absorption, I myself didn't want people like steve or vinci. That vote was carried out in the end though, knowing that people like divang left usk because of people like vinci and lego who hated steve the most out of anybody on the server joined res made me scratch my head. I came to 2 options for people that joined: 1. you stay in for the eventual drops and then you can move on once somebody else offers better drops, kind of a mercenary system. Or 2. You don't have the balls to play the game how you want and let others dictate your happiness. Harsh? Maybe. Wrong? Nope.

Most of that post is recycled opinion, nothing we havnt heard before. My reply would be the same so no point in commenting on some parts.

There were too many chiefs, clans can only have a couple but we had more, and they had conflicting ideas. One group wanted to expand clan and other did not. This part about making decisions for themselves, that is like saying that govts cannot make decisions unless the people say yes, not the case in many countries. People typically think in the short term while, in this case, chief and gens were lookin at the big picture (aiming for final boss). Turns out they were right, did need more people to kill mordy.

Bella did not just leave, she kicked someone else from the clan first. Also her other toons were not kicked within minutes... I was there when it all happened, she left and a couple hours later I invited smelly back in. But he could not kick her until he got promoted higher than clansman, which I could no do. It all happened over several hours not minutes....

That final part was directed at wretch, a bit unclear on my part.

Nice that was a bit more brief than before

Mmk, I was not there but I heard it was minutes from several people currently in both clans...

About your government metaphor there... You do realise that most super successful nations function with a republic, ya? Some limited but it's there.

A leader makes the quick temporary decisions on his/her own and the long term permanent decisions with his/her clan. A dictator makes all the decisions on their own.

I dont want to get into a political discussion and indirectly insult anyone so no comments on that obviously bias greatest superpower thing or on how usa runs (they dont directly ask the people).

Are you implying that res players lack quality and rely on quantity? Well considering that quality would be set by level and gear thats not entirely true. If you talk about quality on a more emotional level, well you cannot really judge people you dont really know.

You can only think of two reasons to join res? That seems rather narrow-minded. I cannot count how many times I have said it, some people join because they have friends in the clan. Others may join because they would prefer res to other options e.g. other clans/clan-less. Also, can u explain that 2nd reason? Let others control you happiness? How exactly?

Doc, if a clan were a republic chief is leader and generals are govt/advisors/other decision-makers etc . Therefore a chief in a clan would make quick decisions alone and include generals in other decisions. A dictatorship clan would be one where chief does not consult/have generals. Think about real life govts, the voted in leaders make decisions, the people do not vote on individual decisions, instead relying on their govt rep.

Yes, I agree. Notice though that the larger the decision, the more people that are involved in order to make it fair.

The leader ask other advisors about a course of action. The people have the power to elect new advisors/representative if they find them not doing their job well. That is only a republic of course. I find it provides as close a connection to equity that humans can get to but that is purely my opinion of course.

The U.S. even goes so far to say you have a right to overthrow the government if it gets in the way of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I won't use that as any defence though since this is obviously a global game. :/