Celtic Heroes

I like fried chicken........thats about what the other person your arguing that your religion is better than theirs is hearing from your point of view.
I know abunch of you guys on the forums are relatively young and dont have much knowledge of history. Since the beginning of time wars have been fought over how ones religion is better than the next. It's not gonna change, so I wouldnt get too bogged down in a religious showdown on a forum about an online game.

God wants me to eat this 2 piece chicken and a biscuit and play Celtic!

Derp, the numbers may be a tad off due to elapsed time but the correlation is still there. I just did some googling and I found similar results. Not pre-made comparisons but separate data for homicide rates and the Christian populations within the same year.

Lots of stuff on the internet is incorrect but thorough research from several different sources will lead to a valid conclusion.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. I am gonna have to throw the BS flag on those stats. No sense in arguing with someone, everyone knows that 68.3% of all statistics on the internet are false.

It's a good thing we aren't playing poker, derp, because you would have lost your money. I'm in the 31.7% that doesn't fudge statistics.

Why would you call BS? Because you don't like those numbers? Did you actually try to verify my claims before you wrote your post?

Of course there is no use arguing... I already implied that when I said you don't know what we are arguing about. I also see that you think there is no sense in apologizing even though you completely misunderstood or changed the meaning of my words before.


I have edited the post above, and I will tell you why. When I put that post together, I used the most current data that I could access. That meant using several sources and cross references. I don't expect you to plough through several documents like I did. I've been through this before with you: I just have a knack for data crunching.

So I have simplified it to two sources. You or anyone else are perfectly able (and encouraged) to check my numbers. The downside is that by using only two worthy sources, it might not always be the most current available number. FBI collected data (which was included in my post pre-edit) tells us that the homicide rate in the U.S. was 4.8 as of 2012, for example. That is the most current. But so people don't have to go through several documents, I have streamlined and used a consolidated report from 2011 which was using 2009 data... so I have changed the U.S. rate to 5.0 to make you happy.

The numbers didn't change all that much, but it did result in some ranking changes. Nothing changed regarding the actual nations, however. The ten worst are still the ten worst... and they are still very Christian nations. This is the sort of thing Vraelan was talking about. Small differences are merely due to the year of the data.

For those who would like to check my numbers:

Homicide rates can be found in a United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime report, entitled "2011 Global Study on Homicide."
It can be found here: http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and ... 11_web.pdf
Scroll down to page 94 to find the table.

Christianity percentage estimations are taken from a Pew Research Center report (complied from census data), entitled "Global Christianity: A Report on the Size and Distribution of the World's Christian Population."
It can be found here: http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... rt-web.pdf
Scroll down to page 71 for the table.

You do realize that this is an online forums for a game. Congratulations on you hard research and work for double and triple checking your sources. That is some great investigative journalism right there. But my question is what did you accomplish? I could understand if you were working for an NBC investigative journalism team, but you are posting this hard work and great commitment on an online forum for a game.
PS. You really had such a great defeat of a mentally unstable combat vet. I tip my hat to you. If you could point your willingness to go the extra mile and severe dedication in the right direction, this world could use someone like you.

You do realize that this is an online forums for a game. Congratulations on you hard research and work for double and triple checking your sources. That is some great investigative journalism right there. But my question is what did you accomplish? I could understand if you were working for an NBC investigative journalism team, but you are posting this hard work and great commitment on an online forum for a game.

Though I assume there is a hint of sarcasm in your post, I do thank you for your compliment. I appreciate it.

On a personal level, derp, I accomplished the protection of my integrity. You put words into my mouth by saying that I said that Christian nations are "bad and torture-filled" (which I did not), and then essentially called me a liar by saying the stats I showed were BS (which they were not). I assume if placed in a similar situation, you would also feel the need to defend yourself.

More importantly, however, if I was able to help correct some people's misconceptions, I would also consider that an accomplishment. I'll expand below, but part of my nature (and indeed my career) is to help people think more critically. I was originally responding to Rochoh's post, but it is a rather common misconception. I like Rochoh. I think he is a good person, and expect him to lead a moral life according to his faith. I offer him nothing but support on that, and hope that he will be able to do that while honestly thinking and reflecting on what he hears.

I suspect that you also (if you had the misconception to begin with) will avoid claiming that the percentage of Christians in a nation is directly linked to less crime... because we can see that isn't the case.

But I will say this again: that is all I was correcting. The data I provided only shows that particular statement is incorrect. It says nothing about causality, and in no way implies that Christianity is the reason. No honest person would claim it is. It also doesn't show anything about a lack of Christianity in the ten worst nations. For all we know, those 10 nations might be worse off without Christianity. Perhaps Christianity has curbed crime in those countries. We may never know... but it certainly is possible.

PS. You really had such a great defeat of a mentally unstable combat vet. I tip my hat to you.

I am sorry you feel that way, derp. I have never viewed this as a win-loss situation. If we must think about winning, I will say that I aim for win-win. I mentioned our respective backgrounds in another post we were involved in. I guess this is the same: we simply have different perspectives on the purpose of dialogue. I understand if your military background would have you think this was a defeat. As for me, I am a teacher and consultant. I view these exchanges as education and progress.

Yesterday I corrected about 250 homework assignments for example. Did I "defeat" my students by correcting their work? Or did I help them by correcting their mistakes? My hope is that I helped them, and that they will no longer make those mistakes.

(Please don't think that I am trying to patronize you or anyone by saying that. I am not at all suggesting that you are my student. I am merely trying to show you my thought process in all of this. ie. I didn't defeat you at all. We merely had a dialogue with some unfortunate misunderstandings along the way.) And we have had this sort of dialogue before. I like you, derp, and I quite enjoyed hearing your point of view, and looking into your recommendations... I am not sure why I seem to have offended you so much in this thread. I am sorry for that.

If you could point your willingness to go the extra mile and severe dedication in the right direction, this world could use someone like you.

I appreciate that very much, derp. Just so you know, my effort here was only a fraction of the effort I put into my lessons and workshops... but it followed the same concepts. With any luck, maybe some of my passion and dedication will rub off on some of my students. Maybe one of them will even be able to come up with a solution for the countries I mentioned.

Religion is a total flop, I speaking as a human being of moderate logical reasoning can tell you it is in itself a self proven paradox, for example, a women and child walking down the street, 2 chavs/charvas/gangsters kill the child and rape the women, if God was to intervien, nothing would go astray, either way 1 person is having their free will stopped, the women is getting raped against her will. Ergo the "omnipresent" Gods inaction is in itself an action meaning even if "God" does exist he sides with the devil, also im fairly sure admin cant pull this because people need to stop ducking around such topics, sorry just had to throw my 2 cents in there

Yeah and its totally safe to be a Christian in Egypt.
Show me where at in the New Testament of the Biblewhere Jesus taught hate and death to non-bebelievers. I don't see how you can say a Christian nation is a bad and torture-filled nation. I don't think that you found out if each victim was killed by a Christian or not. Being a self proclaimed christian and then kill someone is not excactly being a Christian.

It is about how you perceive it, and btw the bible says if you commit adultery you should be stoned to death.
Are you claiming the KKK arent bad Christians? I think not.

OK clearly this isnt the correct way to introduce people to religion. Most people take a thread like this hostily because it confronts them. For all the people hating in this post it dosent matter where the hate is pointed please stop because it does not really help at all. Being a christian, i agree with. Christian views but i wont force my beliefs on you. I am simply saying that this conflict is pretty pointless

Yeah and its totally safe to be a Christian in Egypt.
Show me where at in the New Testament of the Biblewhere Jesus taught hate and death to non-bebelievers. I don't see how you can say a Christian nation is a bad and torture-filled nation. I don't think that you found out if each victim was killed by a Christian or not. Being a self proclaimed christian and then kill someone is not excactly being a Christian.

It is about how you perceive it, and btw the bible says if you commit adultery you should be stoned to death.
Are you claiming the KKK arent bad Christians? I think not.

Yes stoning people is in the Bible, but it is in the Old Testament. This was the reason why Jesus, picked up a stone and told those who are without sin to cast the first stone when he was confronting the mob that was about to kill a woman who was to be stoned to death for committing adultery. The KKK is not excactly a Christian group, I dont think Jesus would have hated people because of the color of their skin. Many people have a skewed visions of a so called Christian group. For example, in America there is a group of people who go around the country protesting slain soldiers funerals. They supposedly protest their funerals because somehow they are promoting the idea of homosexuality. Their group of protestors are from the Westborogh Baptist Church. Do you really think that Jesus Christ would think that this is a church founded on his name and honor? I dont think so, this is why I say that just because someone says they are a Christian doesnt mean they are a Christian. Even if you are a non-believer, the Bible (New Testament) is a pretty good guide on how to live your life.

Yeah and its totally safe to be a Christian in Egypt.
Show me where at in the New Testament of the Biblewhere Jesus taught hate and death to non-bebelievers. I don't see how you can say a Christian nation is a bad and torture-filled nation. I don't think that you found out if each victim was killed by a Christian or not. Being a self proclaimed christian and then kill someone is not excactly being a Christian.

It is about how you perceive it, and btw the bible says if you commit adultery you should be stoned to death.
Are you claiming the KKK arent bad Christians? I think not.

Yes stoning people is in the Bible, but it is in the Old Testament. This was the reason why Jesus, picked up a stone and told those who are without sin to cast the first stone when he was confronting the mob that was about to kill a woman who was to be stoned to death for committing adultery. The KKK is not excactly a Christian group, I dont think Jesus would have hated people because of the color of their skin. Many people have a skewed visions of a so called Christian group. For example, in America there is a group of people who go around the country protesting slain soldiers funerals. They supposedly protest their funerals because somehow they are promoting the idea of homosexuality. Their group of protestors are from the Westborogh Baptist Church. Do you really think that Jesus Christ would think that this is a church founded on his name and honor? I dont think so, this is why I say that just because someone says they are a Christian doesnt mean they are a Christian. Even if you are a non-believer, the Bible (New Testament) is a pretty good guide on how to live your life.

Jesus said it is a sin to bed down with another man, ergo "god" hates gays, what an ignorant man.