Celtic Heroes

... If God doesn't exist, how did the universe get created? If you answer big bang, how did it start?

The Big Bang started when 2 universes formed or 1 universe split, we don't know which, come on mate that is almost common knowledge now.

This isn't common knowledge. It's more pseudo science. There is no proof what so ever of this even mathematically it's an abstraction (like many theories).

M theory is actually all but proven at the minute, and it is an extention of einsteins reletivity theory, which was proven correct, einsteins theory states that we are all basically like insects on an ever-englarging bubble, stuck in this bubble we are constantly moving away from other planets, string theory says there is other bubbles out there called branes

... If God doesn't exist, how did the universe get created? If you answer big bang, how did it start?

The Big Bang started when 2 universes formed or 1 universe split, we don't know which, come on mate that is almost common knowledge now.

This isn't common knowledge. It's more pseudo science. There is no proof what so ever of this even mathematically it's an abstraction (like many theories).

Cosmic Microwave background radiation and Red shift support the Big Bang theory.

What produces the radio waves that are known as static? Ever thought it way be stretched out gamma waves that have travelled for billions of years? (just a thought)

... If God doesn't exist, how did the universe get created? If you answer big bang, how did it start?

The Big Bang started when 2 universes formed or 1 universe split, we don't know which, come on mate that is almost common knowledge now.

This isn't common knowledge. It's more pseudo science. There is no proof what so ever of this even mathematically it's an abstraction (like many theories).

Now, I would not go so far as to say something as extreme as that, though I do dub it in my own opinion as a preposterous hypothesis. However, there are many facts that disapprove the Big Bang Theory, such as the density of ice in it's different physical states relative to those of other matter. The universe would have to have a brain or something of the sort for things like this: H₂O(l) is is actually more dense than it's solid form, H₂O(s)! Why would the universe pick ice to randomly be the exception in the common law of physical states? Well, if bodies of water froze from the bottom up, we'd be in big trouble, because of things such as the fish freezing, making them harder to get to for early civilizations because of the extremely thick ice. We would not be alive to the day if it wasn't for the fact that liquid water is more dense than ice!

^ I do not understand how that disproves the Big Bang theory... Arsenic, Bismuth, Gallium, Germanium, and Silicon are also denser in their liquid state than in solid state. The universe is infinite or, at the very least, extremely large. That stands to reason the there are infinite or, at the very least, a very large quantity of possibilities.

The creation of the universe happened a long time ago and that can be agreed upon by everyone. 6000 years, 10,000 years, a million years, a billion years, etc all count as a long time. There is just simply a lack of evidence both for and against the Big Bang theory and pretty much all ideas/stories of the sort.

As far as the big bang theory... it defies Newton's laws of Thermodynamics, the most rigorously tested laws in science. The problem is, so does every other explanation, for example a god creating the universe.

Personally, if asked, I would say the most likely explanation is that the universe came from "a god". God meaning something that operates outside of the laws of our universe. Here is my logic behind this:

Assuming the universe exists and is not all simply my imagination and I do not exist, there are three possible scenarios: The universe has always existed, the universe created itself, or something outside of the universe created the universe.

The universe cannot have always existed and have no beginning because eternity is a logical impossibility. Also since thermodynamics states that the entropy of the universe is increasing and the universe is tending toward chaos, at some point, a state of pure chaos must be reached and life will be unable to exist. This state will only take a finite amount of time to be reached, but if the universe has exited for an eternity than any finite amount of time has already passed and pure chaos will have been reached an eternity ago. The fact that we exist proves the universe had a beginning.

If the universe created itself than it directly defies its own law that matter cannot be created or destroyed, making the universe operate outside its own laws and therefore classifying the universe as a god because it operated outside of the laws of the universe. The universe operating outside of itself is a contradiction and the laws of thermodynamics must be rejected in order for it to be possible. Note that there are religions that worship the universe itself as a god (pantheism)

If something outside of the laws of the universe existed before the universe and created the universe and all the laws that govern it, we could logically have the state of the universe that we have today while accepting the laws of thermodynamics. This is the most logical explanation which is why I choose to belive that the universe was created by a god.

I have heard the big bang theory used to state that either nothing exploded and created everything (the universe created itself) which is an explanation of the origin of the universe but must be classified as pantheism, or that something exploded and formed everything, in which case the something had to have come from somewhere making this not an explanation of the true origin, but rather an avoidance of the actual question (a logical fallacy).

Now, I would not go so far as to say something as extreme as that, though I do dub it in my own opinion as a preposterous hypothesis. However, there are many facts that disapprove the Big Bang Theory, such as the density of ice in it's different physical states relative to those of other matter. The universe would have to have a brain or something of the sort for things like this: H₂O(l) is is actually more dense than it's solid form, H₂O(s)! Why would the universe pick ice to randomly be the exception in the common law of physical states? Well, if bodies of water froze from the bottom up, we'd be in big trouble, because of things such as the fish freezing, making them harder to get to for early civilizations because of the extremely thick ice. We would not be alive to the day if it wasn't for the fact that liquid water is more dense than ice!

Out of the several trillion planets in our universe you don't think that one of them would be covered with something like water? Or more importantly do you think it's the only one? Saying that we're unique in the universe is very arrogant of you.

If you roll a dice with the numbers one to ten billion on it several trillion times don't you think you're going to roll a one? (One being conditions on Earth, not that I'm saying this is the only planet capable of sustaining life)

Personally, if asked, I would say the most likely explanation is that the universe came from "a god". God meaning something that operates outside of the laws of our universe. Here is my logic behind this:

Assuming the universe exists and is not all simply my imagination and I do not exist, there are three possible scenarios: The universe has always existed, the universe created itself, or something outside of the universe created the universe.

The universe cannot have always existed and have no beginning because eternity is a logical impossibility. Also since thermodynamics states that the entropy of the universe is increasing and the universe is tending toward chaos, at some point, a state of pure chaos must be reached and life will be unable to exist. This state will only take a finite amount of time to be reached, but if the universe has exited for an eternity than any finite amount of time has already passed and pure chaos will have been reached an eternity ago. The fact that we exist proves the universe had a beginning.

If the universe created itself than it directly defies its own law that matter cannot be created or destroyed, making the universe operate outside its own laws and therefore classifying the universe as a god because it operated outside of the laws of the universe. The universe operating outside of itself is a contradiction and the laws of thermodynamics must be rejected in order for it to be possible. Note that there are religions that worship the universe itself as a god (pantheism)

If something outside of the laws of the universe existed before the universe and created the universe and all the laws that govern it, we could logically have the state of the universe that we have today while accepting the laws of thermodynamics. This is the most logical explanation which is why I choose to belive that the universe was created by a god.

I have heard the big bang theory used to state that either nothing exploded and created everything (the universe created itself) which is an explanation of the origin of the universe but must be classified as pantheism, or that something exploded and formed everything, in which case the something had to have come from somewhere making this not an explanation of the true origin, but rather an avoidance of the actual question (a logical fallacy).

A very interesting view to be honest and I like the fact that it's based on some logic rather than the writings of men from 2000 years ago...

But, I don't think that just because it can't be explained right now doesn't mean that it had have operated outside the laws of physics, especially since we have such a little understanding of it. For example, According to the theory of inflation, the Universe grew by a factor of 10 to the sixtieth power in less than 10 to the negative thirty seconds, so the "edges" of the Universe were expanding away from each other faster than the speed of light. This could disprove the big bang theory but we don't currently have the level of science required to undesrtand even 1% of the universe. This is a pointless debate ATM since no definitive answer can be achieved, but still very interesting to hear other people's opinions.

The world is full of people who are entirely hypnotised by the words they use
and they want everyone to use the same words too.

Just look at all these comments, these people are entirely hypnotised by the words they use
and they want everyone to use the same words too.

I think one of the biggest problems with humanity in general is denial of objective reality. The belief that facts are only true if you accept them and that reality is just what you believe it to be are serious mental trappings, taught to be ok from an early age, that cause many many problems.

What's the harm in believing mythical, non-factual things? It inevitably leads to improper conclusions and therefore decisions that you would never make if you only knew what was real. From vaccine, climate change, and holocaust denial right up through religion - it inevitably runs headlong into objective reality that rarely fares well for the intellectually dishonest and causes mass suffering that could have been easily avoided. It is an opiate that numbs the mental senses necessary to avoid the damage the opiate is taken to soothe in a seemingly never ending spiral.

In a universe so obviously dominated by mathematically based natural laws i truly feel sorry for those unable to grasp objective reality. Its sad for them, sad for me that i have to live in a reality with thier own mistakes they can't grasp.