Celtic Heroes

Its just sad to see these people talking about god like this, he will come one day and will take his followers and take them to his kingdom were they will live for iternity in peace with him, but for the others that never believed or appreciated that he died for us in the cross, those will burn in hades\hell for iternity and will cry for gods hand but he will turn their back on them like they did to him and they will be saying sorry but it will be too late. Amen. Keep calm god is coming soon. Dont hate on this pls this is just the truth the real truth, the devil created those homosapians and those monkeys just to lie to us that gid didnt create anything, but he will burn in the lake of fire with all his demons and the people who gave their back on god will join him for eternity, its time to face reality people. Amen.

So the dinosaurs were put here by satan to deceive us from the true path of god.

Are you an American living in the centeral southern to south east part of the country? I'm not looking to bust anyone I'm just taking a survey.

It's nice now people make brand new trolling accounts just for this thread.

There are Christians who believe this and it is absolutely false. Satan can not create - only cause things.

Evolution is only controversial in the bible belt USA among the uneducated and the scientifically challenged.

The evidence from fossils all having related lineages, to being deposited in the right areas and layers to be consistent, to the DNA and mitochondrial DNA linking all life including plants and bacteria into one giant tree of life is not only incontrovertible but the basis of medical science that has already brought far greater lifespans and health than any religion.

I mean ffs you can watch it happen in the lab with short reproduction time organisms like bacteria. It's the reason why vaccines are losing thier effectiveness.

Im really sorry that your religious beliefs aren't true. I'm not insulted but quite saddened actually. You really need to learn what us real before reality catches up with you - it is completely uncaring and unforgiving.

1. I already stated I am not religious.
2. I have already refuted your above arguments in previous posts and my posts have not been addressed. Address my previous posts first, I hate repeating myself.
3. There are plenty of educated people who do not trust in macroevolution, you just think otherwise because it is taught in public schools.
4. Stop trying to use microevolution to prove macroevolution.

You are not religious but do not 'believe' in evolution????

You refuted nothing with facts. Every comment I made has huge mountains of very very obvious evidence anyone with intellectual honesty and an Internet connection can access.

There is no difference between 'micro' and 'macro' evolution. Though those are apologist terms not scientific ones. The only difference is time.

There are virtually no educated people who "do not trust in macro evolution" that do not have an agenda - typically some fundamentalist religious slant.

There is a reason why it is taught in schools. Christians just hate evolution because it is 'proof' genesis is false and therefore no original sin so no need for Jesus to kill himself and the whole thing falls apart. You don't question gravity, quantum mechanics or any other science taught in schools with the exception of the science that disproves the earth is 4000 years old.

You know in Europe it is a serious crime to deny the holocaust. It isn't opinion and it's just so unbelievably in denial of reality and hurtful to people it is a crime.

What we need in America is a law that makes it a serious crime to deny reality in the face of overwhelming incontrovertible evidence. I think that this would help clear up quite a few problems.

I do not believe you are not religious. You are definately entrenched in the dogma of the deep south bible belt science denial. You think the thoughts and use the terms. You ignore the same evidence. If you are honestly not I suggest a good therapist. Because if you really don't know what is real on that level you are a danger to yourself and others.

Ok, I was replying to your posts because I thought you were actually serious and knew at least some of what you are talking about, but now I'm sorry I wasted my time.
You honestly don't know the difference between micro and macroevolution!?! Even the kids flunking out of my chemistry and biology classes at least know that. You obviously aren't actually informed at all, you have just been raised believing in something and are now on a blind crusade to prove you aren't wrong. So far, no matter who tells you otherwise, you are completely closed off to new ideas and opinions, you are convinced that what you believe is right without any willingness to change your opinion even if it is refuted over and over. You are completely condecending towards people who are much smarter than you and probably much older (I don't know your exact age for sure, but you are probably still in highschool judging by your knowledge level). You preach objectivity while looking at everything with one of the most subjective views demonstrated on this forum. I do not think you actually know what objective means.

You also continue to put words in my mouth, I said there are educated and intelligent people who are much smarted than you (believe it or not there are people smarter than you) who do not trust evolution, I never said I do not accept evolution. I think its a fairly good theory which takes a lot of evidence into account and provides for the most part, a plausible answer. It has some holes but it is still useable. You on the other hand seem determined to see it as an absolute, irrefutable fact when it has no where near enough proof to support itself. (Also note that evidence and proof are NOT the same thing)

I have absolutely no affiliation with your "deep south bible belt".

No one claims the earth is 4000 years old, YECs say it is between 6000 - 10,000 years old.

There are many Christians who believe in evolution as well, the fact that you didn't know this is more evidence that you do not actually know what you are talking about.
You are just trying to assign motives to my posts because you aren't able to argue with me.

There is a huge difference between micro and macroevolution. I hate repeating myself when you could have just scrolled back and read my earlier posts and also when I know that it will have absolutely no effect on your actions, but for the sake of everyone else reading: Microevolution is observable and involves changes in the frequencies or changes within a species. No new species is formed. (note that the changes in bacteria that you like to point out are actually a form of microevolution)
Macroevolution is NOT observable ( and is therefore not even science) and requires new genetic traits to be introduced in a species thereby changing it into a whole new species.

No, I do not expect you to have any change in your hypocritical heart and suddenly realize that maybe it is possible for someone else to be right, but I am posting so that anyone else reading can see that it can be perfectly logical to not blindly follow evolution.

For you, you have degraded into another atheist hating on religion because he can't stand the idea of anyone or anything being smarter or better than him or knowing something he does not or holding him accountable for his actions. You are just another biased atheist who doesn't want truth. And more evidence that this topic has declined from being a discussion into being a hate ramble.

Evolution is only controversial in the bible belt USA among the uneducated and the scientifically challenged.

The evidence from fossils all having related lineages, to being deposited in the right areas and layers to be consistent, to the DNA and mitochondrial DNA linking all life including plants and bacteria into one giant tree of life is not only incontrovertible but the basis of medical science that has already brought far greater lifespans and health than any religion.

I mean ffs you can watch it happen in the lab with short reproduction time organisms like bacteria. It's the reason why vaccines are losing thier effectiveness.

Im really sorry that your religious beliefs aren't true. I'm not insulted but quite saddened actually. You really need to learn what us real before reality catches up with you - it is completely uncaring and unforgiving.

1. I already stated I am not religious.
2. I have already refuted your above arguments in previous posts and my posts have not been addressed. Address my previous posts first, I hate repeating myself.
3. There are plenty of educated people who do not trust in macroevolution, you just think otherwise because it is taught in public schools.
4. Stop trying to use microevolution to prove macroevolution.

You are not religious but do not 'believe' in evolution????

You refuted nothing with facts. Every comment I made has huge mountains of very very obvious evidence anyone with intellectual honesty and an Internet connection can access.

There is no difference between 'micro' and 'macro' evolution. Though those are apologist terms not scientific ones. The only difference is time.

There are virtually no educated people who "do not trust in macro evolution" that do not have an agenda - typically some fundamentalist religious slant.

There is a reason why it is taught in schools. Christians just hate evolution because it is 'proof' genesis is false and therefore no original sin so no need for Jesus to kill himself and the whole thing falls apart. You don't question gravity, quantum mechanics or any other science taught in schools with the exception of the science that disproves the earth is 4000 years old.

You know in Europe it is a serious crime to deny the holocaust. It isn't opinion and it's just so unbelievably in denial of reality and hurtful to people it is a crime.

What we need in America is a law that makes it a serious crime to deny reality in the face of overwhelming incontrovertible evidence. I think that this would help clear up quite a few problems.

I do not believe you are not religious. You are definately entrenched in the dogma of the deep south bible belt science denial. You think the thoughts and use the terms. You ignore the same evidence. If you are honestly not I suggest a good therapist. Because if you really don't know what is real on that level you are a danger to yourself and others.

Ok, I was replying to your posts because I thought you were actually serious and knew at least some of what you are talking about, but now I'm sorry I wasted my time.
You honestly don't know the difference between micro and macroevolution!?! Even the kids flunking out of my chemistry and biology classes at least know that. You obviously aren't actually informed at all, you have just been raised believing in something and are now on a blind crusade to prove you aren't wrong. So far, no matter who tells you otherwise, you are completely closed off to new ideas and opinions, you are convinced that what you believe is right without any willingness to change your opinion even if it is refuted over and over. You are completely condecending towards people who are much smarter than you and probably much older (I don't know your exact age for sure, but you are probably still in highschool judging by your knowledge level). You preach objectivity while looking at everything with one of the most subjective views demonstrated on this forum. I do not think you actually know what objective means.

You also continue to put words in my mouth, I said there are educated and intelligent people who are much smarted than you (believe it or not there are people smarter than you) who do not trust evolution, I never said I do not accept evolution. I think its a fairly good theory which takes a lot of evidence into account and provides for the most part, a plausible answer. It has some holes but it is still useable. You on the other hand seem determined to see it as an absolute, irrefutable fact when it has no where near enough proof to support itself. (Also note that evidence and proof are NOT the same thing)

I have absolutely no affiliation with your "deep south bible belt".

No one claims the earth is 4000 years old, YECs say it is between 6000 - 10,000 years old.

There are many Christians who believe in evolution as well, the fact that you didn't know this is more evidence that you do not actually know what you are talking about.
You are just trying to assign motives to my posts because you aren't able to argue with me.

There is a huge difference between micro and macroevolution. I hate repeating myself when you could have just scrolled back and read my earlier posts and also when I know that it will have absolutely no effect on your actions, but for the sake of everyone else reading: Microevolution is observable and involves changes in the frequencies or changes within a species. No new species is formed. (note that the changes in bacteria that you like to point out are actually a form of microevolution)
Macroevolution is NOT observable ( and is therefore not even science) and requires new genetic traits to be introduced in a species thereby changing it into a whole new species.

No, I do not expect you to have any change in your hypocritical heart and suddenly realize that maybe it is possible for someone else to be right, but I am posting so that anyone else reading can see that it can be perfectly logical to not blindly follow evolution.

For you, you have degraded into another atheist hating on religion because he can't stand the idea of anyone or anything being smarter or better than him or knowing something he does not or holding him accountable for his actions. You are just another biased atheist who doesn't want truth. And more evidence that this topic has declined from being a discussion into being a hate ramble.

You sir are horribly ignorant. I am quite aware of evolution. You have not provided ANY evidence or facts so NO I am not changing my mind. If you had simply done a google search here is the first result lol! From Wikipedia:

Microevolution is the changes in allele frequencies that occur over time within a population.[1] This change is due to four different processes: mutation, selection (natural and artificial), gene flow, and genetic drift.
Population genetics is the branch of biology that provides the mathematical structure for the study of the process of microevolution. Ecological genetics concerns itself with observing microevolution in the wild. Typically, observable instances of evolution are examples of microevolution; for example, bacterial strains that have antibiotic resistance.
Microevolution over time may lead to speciation or the appearance of novel structure, sometimes classified as macroevolution.[2] Contrary to claims by creationists however, macro and microevolution describe fundamentally identical processes on different time scales.[2][3]

Which is EXACTLY what I said. I am not hating but it is frustrating when people are in denial of reality. Epically when that not only hurts themselves but society as a whole. I strongly suggest you learn what is real before you wind up injured or dead from your own ignorance as to what is real.

There is my evidence complete with cited sources. Please please provide some evidence - real evidence with sources - no BS crackpot religious sources - to back your minority unfounded claims.

I double dare you to make less sense.

Religion is formed from stories versus science which is formed from... theories? If this is the argument, you must validate yourself based on an outside source.

Do not support Christianity with the bible and do not support theories by repeating it or adding more theories.

That means you are left with logic:
We do not know how the universe came to be, we can only guess.
There are written documents which mention names and dates. Whilst a large portion may be inaccurate, it is reasonable to assume that some things must be true. After all, every lie (not that any religion is a lie) is built on a kernel of truth.
We can not see god, feel god (physically touch), hear god, etc.
We can not go back in time to verify theories such as the Big Bang or evolution over a long term.

With that in mind, you can still live. We can still laugh, have fun, investigate life, maintain faith, open up to new ideas, stick with traditional ideas, etc etc etc.

From what I have seen from many religions, there is a large amount of free-will and forgiveness. You do not have to %100 take a side in a war that does not even exist.

Atheists had good lives, Christians had good lives, Hindus had good lives, etc. Everything comes with time and for right now, what we do not know about these subjects can not hurt us.

You aren't quite up on how science works so rather than assume you are obtuse I'll explain.

Evidence about the world in some form is recorded as data. This needs to be repeatable and testable. That data then forms a basis for guessing what mathematical and logical relationship it has so as to predict future data. This is called a hypothesis. More data is gathered and more independent testing is done. When mountains of new data, preferably captured in new ways and outside the initial scope of the investigation fails to disprove the hypothesis - that is it explains all data and is able to predict new data in novel circumstances then it becomes a theory.

If new testable data comes along and is outside current hypothesis or theory they are modified to accomidate the new data. Thus science helplessly clings to facts and is taken wherever the facts lead.

So a scientific theory often has hundreds to thousands of human lifetimes of careful data collection behind it with 100% of the evidence supporting it and 0% falling outside it. This is pretty much the opposite of laypersons understanding theory as a wild fkn guess that no one knows if it is real.

The difference between science and religion is religion is made up out of the blue. Everyone has a different view no ones facts line up. Every believer just knows thier right and everyone else is wrong. There can be no changes made based on evidence.

Science is so entrenched in reality that even aliens that evolved on another planet - complete with no resemblance to life on earth - would develop independently the SAME SCIENTIFIC THEORIES. Even if it was done a billion light years away and a billion years ago. Why? Because science is reality based, we all live in the same reality, we will all measure similar data. So the hypothesis that make it to theory will be mathematically equivalent. The entire world - and if we ever meet aliens the entire universe will agree on nearly every last little detail.

You can't even get two Catholics to agree. And I can guarentee that if in the extreme unlikely event aliens ever visit earth they will have only heard of Jesus or human gods through our radio broadcasts.

There is no Christian science, no American science, no Muslim science, no Japanese science, no human science and no alien science. There is only science. Pretty much the definition of what is real falls under the eventual domain of science as our ability to wield it increases.

See the difference?

I hate reply to long posts with a short one, but your arguments are so one sided. You are saying there is absolutely no flaws with science, though we Christians and others who do not believe in the Big Bang Theory are providing a counterexample to every one of your arguments, yet you make more and more and, of course, you have to throw in a comment trying to explain how 'deranged' we are. EdElric came up with an excellent argument to prove your incredibly false claims and annoyingly false percentages. Also, religion is not based on guesses. We have historical evidence backing our claims - the Bible. There is also much historical evidence that has been found. What you are also saying is that there is no argument in science. What about spontaneous generation? What about the extinction of dinosaurs? There are also many flaws in your theory. Why did the particle explosion that supposedly created the earth create two different genders - and with the correct genetalia to reproduce? Why is water the only substance that in its liquid physical state it is more dense than its solid state? If it wasn't, we would not be alive. Did a particle smaller than the tip of a needle plan all of this?

There has been ZERO evidence to show anything I have said is false. I have posted articles with many sources as evidence. The claims are annoying to you because they are not in alignment with your faith. I'm sorry (not sarcastic) if reality does not jibe with your assumptions. You cannot simply waive away facts with your feelings despite how you feel.

The bible was written hundreds of years after the fact by many different authors. Nearly all the details in the bible are borrowed ie copied from earlier traditions and beliefs. To just assume it is true while ignoring the TREMENDOUS amounts of evidence to the contrary is arrogant, intellectually dishonest, and will likely have some serious repercussions if your reasoning strays too far from reality.

i can see this comming again...

i see more evidence against evolution than evidence for it. all right you evilutionists, lets do this again. give me your evidence,
then i will fight back.

i can see this comming again...

i see more evidence against evolution than evidence for it. all right you evilutionists, lets do this again. give me your evidence,
then i will fight back.

Lol! Evidence is above with sources. You didn't read it, can't read, are ignorant, are willfully ignoring reality, or a combination of the above. Come back with real evidence to the contrary.

I will call all the science journals and let them know you are about to speak so they can record your infinite wisdom and pass it down to the masses.

You might as well fight back by standing in the freeway with your eyes closed. If you can disbelieve in reality that much you run a serious risk to your self and those around you. For your own sake please open your eyes and do what comes naturally.

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I have provided logical arguments, you just refuse to look at them.
My sources are my textbooks and professors who are experts on the subject.
Your source is wikipedia.
If you were going to my university and quoted wikipedia, you would be a laughingstock and everyone would know you were ignorant.

In microevolution, all the components and traits necessary for minor changes are already present, Macroevolution REQUIRES traits that were not present to be introduced or the species cannot evolve into a new species. There is a difference, my biology professor is an evolutionist and is perfectly ready to talk about the differences between micro and macroevolution, the only one here who won't is you, because it might mean that there is a chance you are wrong and you refuse to admit it.

I'm tired of arguing with you, I have cut off your arms and legs but you insist on picking at irrelevant details and ignoring the logic in front of you. You are wasting my time.

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I have provided logical arguments, you just refuse to look at them.
My sources are my textbooks and professors who are experts on the subject.
Your source is wikipedia.
If you were going to my university and quoted wikipedia, you would be a laughingstock and everyone would know you were ignorant.

In microevolution, all the components and traits necessary for minor changes are already present, Macroevolution REQUIRES traits that were not present to be introduced or the species cannot evolve into a new species. There is a difference, my biology professor is an evolutionist and is perfectly ready to talk about the differences between micro and macroevolution, the only one here who won't is you, because it might mean that there is a chance you are wrong and you refuse to admit it.

I'm tired of arguing with you, I have cut off your arms and legs but you insist on picking at irrelevant details and ignoring the logic in front of you. You are wasting my time.

You sir have been mislead by the shenanigans of dubious people. Your refusal to ACTUALLY provide any links to evidence or to do a simple Internet search is revealing of your reality denial.

Maybe at a fundie pseudo school you would be laughed out but I have a masters degree from a top engineering university. Wikipedia was used all the time. When there Was a validity question SOURCES were cited. It's the references that matter the most.

I truly worry about your safety when you are blind to what is real. Good luck with your life.

You miss the point. Science is NOT from authority. It is from evidence. Opinion has no place in it.

Fighting evolution

i can provide lots of evidence for the contrary.

natural selection only works when there already self reproducing organisms, so how did the first cells change to how they are now? i have heard an argument that natural selection is an oxymoron because it gives the power to choose, something that only belongs to intelligent beings, to nature. of course natural selection works in some cases, like the peppered moths obviously, but there are things about living things today that i do not see how they can be applied to natural selection.

i just skimmed through the above, didnt bother to read it so show me direct evidence.

i have much more in store.

stop criticizing us for petty little things while making yourself look like a moron. show me evidence, if you have any.

Bringing the theory of evolution into a discussion about religion always brings about a heated debate. Evolution is, for me, an undeniable fact, whether you believe in it or not does change the fact that it has been proven, and can be observed by looking at fossils etc.

That being said, it is perfectly all right to question the finer details of the theory; questioning the world around us is a fundamental attitude upon which science rests, but I personally see no overwhelming evidence that points to us being completely off.

If you do not believe in evolution is fine, as long as you do not impose your beliefs upon those who do believe in the theory, and vice versa.

Another point that I would like to make, is that science and religion can co-exist. It's not black and white. You can take a little from both. In the end, science and religion are very similar. Both are the attempts of humans to understand the world in which we live.

What, in my eyes, defines a person is the values that he or she has, what he or she does, not whether he or she believes that God created the world in six days(?) or that man and apes are descendants of a common ancestor(s).