Celtic Heroes

Thank you Pigman for at least trying to calm him.

Plus3, I know the vaccine thing is a problem in some places, maybe you have a personal history with it, I don't know, but that is a very specific problem from some wackos. I know quite a few Christians, some Muslims and Jews and other religions, and not one of these people has held themselves away from any type of medical help including vaccines when they need it. Saying that no one should be religious because of that one specific problem is like trying to heal a broken finger by cutting off the arm, its a little overkill.

I would be interested to see where I said no one should be religious because of one particular problem. Because I did not say that. I said it is a form of reality denial and is spread by psuedo religious BS. Which is true. If you have other evidence I would be quite happy to see that.

Out of all the people I know (and I know a lot of people), the religious people in almost every case (regardless of specific religion) are much more pleasant than the atheists and overall, much happier. They are held to a moral standard, an atheist is not held to anything except the law. Sure there are always exceptions, there are wackos and extremists and generally bad people, but those people would probably be wackos, extremists and law breakers regardless of religion.
I fail to see any logic in your apparent hate toward religion (if that is not how you meant it, you definitely need to reevaluate your methods) other than a personal bad experience, which is none of my business, but this is the wrong place to bring it out. Notice even the people who agree with you are disagreeing with you? They (myself included don't disagree with what you are saying, they disagree with how you are saying it and why you are saying it. The only one agreeing with you is a 14 year old kid whose posts are very offensive and I am amazed the admins have let him say some of the things he has.

wow so you are a bigot saying atheists are unhappy and not moral. Figures considering your background.

it dosent matter who agrees. Basically every last thing I've said is an undeniable fact. I'm only hoping to bash some sense in because it's pretty obvious the gentle flow of rationality isn't helping the few seriously crazy posters here who are evolution and reality deniers.

Evolution is not proved as absolute, undeniable truth, and until it is, people are free to believe whatever they want. You of course have the freedom to deride and insult it as much as you want (though I am pretty sure OTM says they don't allow discrimination based on religious affiliation on the forums), but that does not reflect well on your character.

I'm sorry that your religious views are demonstratably false. Evolution is a fact. There is no controversy. There is no serious argument. If your religion is in the way of reality it's not my fault.

Anyway, I'm done. Supporting views I don' completely hold myself just for the sake of equality is a pain and I am tired of everything I say going in one ear and out the other. Maybe you and Magixal will actually read this post and try acting civilized. For now, I'm tired of arguing with walls and if this thread gets any worse I will ask for it to be locked. This is supposed to be a discussion about religion where the original poster asked people to tell him about what they believed, now its just a self-defeating argument where people throw around insults and talk past each other.

technically this is the first post :
I've been thinking and I wanted to here your point of view.
I believe "God" and "ET" are basically the same thing.
I don't believe in god as they say he is.

It would be taken as an insult by most believers. I'm going out on a limb and saying that the perceivedinsults started page 1 post 1 and didn't really stop.

No one is going to change the way they live their life because some guy on an MMO forum called them ignorant and insulted their beliefs.

Get used to being insulted for the rest of your life. The sooner you come around to facts the better for everyone.

Plus3, your last post consisted of only Christianity bashing. It was an utterly horrid one. In fact, I am surprised the moderators have not even issued a warning for you by now. Not that I am dwelling on it - a damnation sentence judgement will be much worse. True Christians will also try to get others to believe, because Jesus tells us all to make disciples. I have given you many questions that have yet to be answered, and they were most likely ignored. I hope you do eventually become a Christian, and I know it is possible, because many famous evolutionists have converted, also. We can only prove intelligent design, not Creation directly. Just as Vralean stated something quite similar earlier, science is an attempt to discover, just as creationism is, but from a Biblical standpoint. We are men and do not know and can not prove the powers of God. Also, in response to your last post, Jesus already told that the Christian life is a hard one.

Plus3, your last post consisted of only Christianity bashing. It was an utterly horrid one. In fact, I am surprised the moderators have not even issued a warning for you by now. Not that I am dwelling on it - a damnation sentence judgement will be much worse. True Christians will also try to get others to believe, because Jesus tells us all to make disciples. I have given you many questions that have yet to be answered, and they were most likely ignored. I hope you do eventually become a Christian, and I know it is possible, because many famous evolutionists have converted, also. We can only prove intelligent design, not Creation directly. Just as Vralean stated something quite similar earlier, science is an attempt to discover, just as creationism is, but from a Biblical standpoint. We are men and do not know and can not prove the powers of God. Also, in response to your last post, Jesus already told that the Christian life is a hard one.

Stating that evolution is a fact is not bashing religion. Not any sane mainstream religion like Christianity. Perhaps it is bashing a cult but no mainstream religion offically denies facts on that scale that i am aware of in this day and age. The POPE admits to accepting evolution as fact.

I ignored nothing. You do not seem to understand arguments from authority and unfounded ancient tomes will not sway me in the slightest. Only facts and logical reasoning will.

And as a counter to your hope I become a christian - I hope that your inability to know what is real does not greatly harm your life or the lives around you.

Plus3, your last post consisted of only Christianity bashing. It was an utterly horrid one. In fact, I am surprised the moderators have not even issued a warning for you by now. Not that I am dwelling on it - a damnation sentence judgement will be much worse. True Christians will also try to get others to believe, because Jesus tells us all to make disciples. I have given you many questions that have yet to be answered, and they were most likely ignored. I hope you do eventually become a Christian, and I know it is possible, because many famous evolutionists have converted, also. We can only prove intelligent design, not Creation directly. Just as Vralean stated something quite similar earlier, science is an attempt to discover, just as creationism is, but from a Biblical standpoint. We are men and do not know and can not prove the powers of God. Also, in response to your last post, Jesus already told that the Christian life is a hard one.

Stating that evolution is a fact is not bashing religion. Not any sane mainstream religion like Christianity. Perhaps it is bashing a cult but no mainstream religion offically denies facts on that scale that i am aware of in this day and age. The POPE admits to accepting evolution as fact.

I ignored nothing. You do not seem to understand arguments from authority and unfounded ancient tomes will not sway me in the slightest. Only facts and logical reasoning will.

And as a counter to your hope I become a christian - I hope that your inability to know what is real does not greatly harm your life or the lives around you.

I want nothing to do with the Pope first of all. It is a debate whether Catholicism can actually be grouped in with Christianity, but I myself do not agree with it because it is almost completely religious and can evolve at any moment based on a supposed prophet. You've called Christianity insanity and also 'pseudo BS' in your last post.

You did not answer my questions from earlier, also, such as the one about the density of water in its different physical states and how it differs from all other matter.. That is fairly important evidence as to the proof of intelligent design. These ancient tomes are not unfounded - they are a compilation from various writers, some that were told to write these things by God, others simply magnifying His name, others saving important things mouthed by Jesus.

Christianity is not harm, but the hope of this world. It is absolutely wrong to beat or force people into submission, as many popes have done. We are here to spread the gospel of Christ.

I want nothing to do with the Pope first of all. It is a debate whether Catholicism can actually be grouped in with Christianity, but I myself do not agree with it because it is almost completely religious and can evolve at any moment based on a supposed prophet. You've called Christianity insanity and also 'pseudo BS' in your last post.

You did not answer my questions from earlier, also, such as the one about the density of water in its different physical states and how it differs from all other matter.. That is fairly important evidence as to the proof of intelligent design. These ancient tomes are not unfounded - they are a compilation from various writers, some that were told to write these things by God, others simply magnifying His name, others saving important things mouthed by Jesus.

Christianity is not harm, but the hope of this world. It is absolutely wrong to beat or force people into submission, as many popes have done. We are here to spread the gospel of Christ.

I gave the pope as an example of a famous highly popular religious leader that accepts evolution. And LOL that " It is a debate whether Catholicism can actually be grouped in with Christianity". That's a good one. There is literally no one who will agree with you on that.

I said that vacciene denial is based on psuedo religious propaganda. And it is. Show me some evidence to support another hypothesis. I'll gladly take a look.

I don't even begin to understand how you can argue that the density of water at different pressures and temperatures is evidence of intelligent design.

If you are truly in the ID crowd then yes I will bash you. It is psuedo religious BS that is plaguing the free thinking and serious institutions that are our US schools. It is doing unbelievable long term harm to US education. Take your stone age BS out of our schools. If you want to trash your own children's minds before we can pass updated child abuse laws go ahead. But it is an all out war when you try to brainwash the innocent by lying, fabricating facts, and tryin to teach controversy when there is none.

Could a god be difined as an intelligent being powerful enough to create life, planets, universes and dimensions? Is is possible that there is an intelligent race in existence that is older then we are? Could a race exist that has been evolving for perhaps trillions of years longer then we have? If any race evolves long enough without going extinct, into what will they eventually evolve? Not only do I think evolution DISPROVES atheism but I think it guarantees the existence of gods and the eventuality that we will most definetly evolve into gods ourselves. That's just my view, don't know if that makes sense to anybody else.

I want nothing to do with the Pope first of all. It is a debate whether Catholicism can actually be grouped in with Christianity, but I myself do not agree with it because it is almost completely religious and can evolve at any moment based on a supposed prophet. You've called Christianity insanity and also 'pseudo BS' in your last post.

You did not answer my questions from earlier, also, such as the one about the density of water in its different physical states and how it differs from all other matter.. That is fairly important evidence as to the proof of intelligent design. These ancient tomes are not unfounded - they are a compilation from various writers, some that were told to write these things by God, others simply magnifying His name, others saving important things mouthed by Jesus.

Christianity is not harm, but the hope of this world. It is absolutely wrong to beat or force people into submission, as many popes have done. We are here to spread the gospel of Christ.

I gave the pope as an example of a famous highly popular religious leader that accepts evolution. And LOL that " It is a debate whether Catholicism can actually be grouped in with Christianity". That's a good one. There is literally no one who will agree with you on that.

I said that vacciene denial is based on psuedo religious propaganda. And it is. Show me some evidence to support another hypothesis. I'll gladly take a look.

I don't even begin to understand how you can argue that the density of water at different pressures and temperatures is evidence of intelligent design.

If you are truly in the ID crowd then yes I will bash you. It is psuedo religious BS that is plaguing the free thinking and serious institutions that are our US schools. It is doing unbelievable long term harm to US education. Take your stone age BS out of our schools. If you want to trash your own children's minds before we can pass updated child abuse laws go ahead. But it is an all out war when you try to brainwash the innocent by lying, fabricating facts, and tryin to teach controversy when there is none.

I posted that there is debate on whether Catholicism is a subset of Christianity pages and pages back before my last post. There are many Baptist and non denominational Christians that agree with me on this fact.

Vaccine denial is religious and not a part of Christianity. Exactly.

You did not go back and read my argument obviously.

Again, you are bashing Christianity. God did not say that humans were created through evolution in Genesis 1. I do believe in intelligent design. Human bodies alone are even too incredibly complex to be a product of chance. Trying to fabricate facts is a crime committed by some Christian textbook composers, such as BJU. It is wrong, because Satan is the author of confusion. It is also brainwash, as you said.

Could a god be difined as an intelligent being powerful enough to create life, planets, universes and dimensions? Is is possible that there is an intelligent race in existence that is older then we are? Could a race exist that has been evolving for perhaps trillions of years longer then we have? If any race evolves long enough without going extinct, into what will they eventually evolve? Not only do I think evolution DISPROVES atheism but I think it guarantees the existence of gods and the eventuality that we will most definetly evolve into gods ourselves. That's just my view, don't know if that makes sense to anybody else.

Interesting. People do not seem to understand that time must be infinite backward and forward. The exploding particale hat caused the Big Bang could not have made itself to appear, right?

Could a god be difined as an intelligent being powerful enough to create life, planets, universes and dimensions? Is is possible that there is an intelligent race in existence that is older then we are? Could a race exist that has been evolving for perhaps trillions of years longer then we have? If any race evolves long enough without going extinct, into what will they eventually evolve? Not only do I think evolution DISPROVES atheism but I think it guarantees the existence of gods and the eventuality that we will most definetly evolve into gods ourselves. That's just my view, don't know if that makes sense to anybody else.

Thinking evolution disproves atheism is a very odd thought to say the least. Would be interested to hear how outside of the usual 'well the abrahamic religions are mostly allegory so evolution is really gods plan' kind of argument.

Also our universe is 14.7 ish billion years old. So it is essentially impossible to have a race of beings trillions of years old anywhere. Though having a race with technology even just one million years older should be enough time for them to develop far superior science and engineering. Given the enormous size of even just the visible universe it is almost certain that that exists somewhere. But they would be constrained by the same laws of physics so it is unclear how you could create additional universes or dimensions. Planets and life seem to be much easier feats from what we understand today.

Could a god be difined as an intelligent being powerful enough to create life, planets, universes and dimensions? Is is possible that there is an intelligent race in existence that is older then we are? Could a race exist that has been evolving for perhaps trillions of years longer then we have? If any race evolves long enough without going extinct, into what will they eventually evolve? Not only do I think evolution DISPROVES atheism but I think it guarantees the existence of gods and the eventuality that we will most definetly evolve into gods ourselves. That's just my view, don't know if that makes sense to anybody else.

Interesting. People do not seem to understand that time must be infinite backward and forward. The exploding particale hat caused the Big Bang could not have made itself to appear, right?

The every day notion of time and space breaks down at those incredible energies. There really is no such thing as infinite time forward or backward in time in the typical sense. Time before the big bang is quite nebulous and unclear. Time extending far past the heat death and then eventual breakdown and seperation of all elementary particles becomes unclear also.

Energy and information cannot be created or destroyed from our current understanding. Only altered in form. so there may be something to the hypothesis that the universe was created when two different dimensional spaces intersected across higher dimensional space when there was an unusually large fluctuation that caused them to touch. We probably won't know the answer in our lifetimes though that dosent mean it couldn't eventually be discovered.