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Re: A discussion about religion

#511
I have. Just because I still believe in God after my one hour google search doesn't mean that I haven't questioned it. Also, the Hebrews enemies had something to fight for and also trained just as hard as the Hebrews. Furthermore, those branes had to be made. Answer=God.

Re: A discussion about religion

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We may just as well develop technology that is capable of proving the existence of God, another such entity, or entities.
We already have this technology. If some deity were to fly down through the clouds and obviously violate the laws of physics again and again making magical things happen - recorded on hundreds of millions of video recorders and witnessed by billions there would be no doubt. It would also still be science.

If there were a particular faith or faiths that when people in that faith were prayed for they regrew limbs, were cured of down syndrome, or other such obviously impossible things the evidence would be overwhelming. It would also still be science.

So in short because of the scientific method as it stands, it is perfectly capable of determining this if there is any evidence. So far there is absolutely none.
I was referring to different theories regarding the existence of Gods or other beings. Many say that there is a higher being that we just can not detect because we are too primitive. Others say God is waiting to for us to evolve up to his level and seek him out.

I never said there was any problem with the scientific method. There is no need for you to defend it from me... Lol.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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We may just as well develop technology that is capable of proving the existence of God, another such entity, or entities.
We already have this technology. If some deity were to fly down through the clouds and obviously violate the laws of physics again and again making magical things happen - recorded on hundreds of millions of video recorders and witnessed by billions there would be no doubt. It would also still be science.

If there were a particular faith or faiths that when people in that faith were prayed for they regrew limbs, were cured of down syndrome, or other such obviously impossible things the evidence would be overwhelming. It would also still be science.

So in short because of the scientific method as it stands, it is perfectly capable of determining this if there is any evidence. So far there is absolutely none.
I was referring to different theories regarding the existence of Gods or other beings. Many say that there is a higher being that we just can not detect because we are too primitive. Others say God is waiting to for us to evolve up to his level and seek him out.

I never said there was any problem with the scientific method. There is no need for you to defend it from me... Lol.
Just trying to say that we can show a god(s) exist if there was evidence and it could be done with science. Wasn't really trying to say you had something against that just trying to address it in general. Sorry I didn't make that more clear.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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i disagree, there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of an omnipotent being

we can prove or disprove the sequence of events in the history of humans, but whether they happened of their own accord or were caused is not within our capability to know


religious texts prove nothing to me about our history as a species, tha does not mean there is no "god"
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Re: A discussion about religion

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@Plus3
Ahh, we are both getting confused then. :/

I am assuming there are multiple, if not infinite, possibilities. Perhaps there is a God that is acting on a level we can not perceive, existing as a form of energy we have not yet discovered.

I do see what you mean though and I agree, there is a lack of physical evidence. However, a lack of evidence does not disprove or prove any theory. Science stands in the centre and leans.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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i disagree, there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of an omnipotent being

we can prove or disprove the sequence of events in the history of humans, but whether they happened of their own accord or were caused is not within our capability to know


religious texts prove nothing to me about our history as a species, tha does not mean there is no "god"
I was tryin to say that if there was a being that physically came down and started altering the laws of physics - such as removing the stars from the sky - bringing back all humans from the dead - turning the oceans into wine, etc then it would be solid evidence for something with divine power exists and that it could be described with science.

What you are thinking of is probably history where everything appears to work on natural law but there is always a tiny possibility that it could be supernatural. There would be no way to show it. If every time a person had thoughts magical voices appeared and verbally granted wishes with tangible proof everywhere that the universe no longer functioned upon natural principles - everything was intent based by an intelligent agency, then that would be as much proof as is possible to have.

As of today there is no supernatural evidence.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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i disagree, there is no way to prove or disprove the existence of an omnipotent being

we can prove or disprove the sequence of events in the history of humans, but whether they happened of their own accord or were caused is not within our capability to know


religious texts prove nothing to me about our history as a species, tha does not mean there is no "god"
I was tryin to say that if there was a being that physically came down and started altering the laws of physics - such as removing the stars from the sky - bringing back all humans from the dead - turning the oceans into wine, etc then it would be solid evidence for something with divine power exists and that it could be described with science.

As of today there is no supernatural evidence.

i agree there, id o not believe in a creator that has direct influence on what happens

whether or not a being put everything into motion i do not know, though i am not inclined to believe it

perhaps our universe is inside another, and ours was put into existence by a being of that universe
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Re: A discussion about religion

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If we are guessing for fun here I wonder if everythng we see isn't due to the universal and immortal mathematics and logic that seem to be outside our existence.

Are the axioms of mathematics constrained to exist in our universe alone? How could 1 + 1 ever not be 2? Isn't that an eternal truth that other similar and different universes would also have access to? It seems that these concepts are actually discovered but must be true outside our existence for upon them our natural laws rest. If we did have a theory for everything, a formula for all physical law that would fit on a t-shirt then all it would take is mathematics and the initial set of conditions to completely simlulate/emulate our entire reality humans and all (given enough computation) - which would be accessible from any reality but itself timeless and immortal. Could it be that we are simply experiencing this truth of logic itself from the inside? If theories like the multiple worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics are true all possibilities for reality exist at the same time permenantly and eternally. We find ourselves as the point in that at which our pasts are described as fixed but with free will from our perspective toward the future yet with countless (but finite) different possibilities from the 'outside' all of which are predetermined. So we could be a byproduct of logic itself and free will could simultaneously be true and false depending on where you observe from.

That is complete conjecture but some of the things I wonder if there is any truth to.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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I have. Just because I still believe in God after my one hour google search doesn't mean that I haven't questioned it. Also, the Hebrews enemies had something to fight for and also trained just as hard as the Hebrews. Furthermore, those branes had to be made. Answer=God.
Then what made god? Answer= nobody he isn't real.

Re: A discussion about religion

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Again, I see attempts to disprove God. Where are the attempts to prove that God exists?

I am not trying to be rude but if someone actually does try to find proof by quoting scripture... I will facepalm unless there are other sources.
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