Celtic Heroes

^ Actually, you are correct, I was using weak-minded incorrectly because the person I quoted used it incorrectly and I went along with it. I meant to say closed-minded. I will edit my response right now, thank you.

No problem lol. It was meant more for other readers anyhow.

I apologise again, I posted that initial response too quickly and I did not look as far as I should have. I still thank you for pointing it out to me. Lol

Let me pose this as a counter question, just put of curiosity.

If everything had to have been created, where did "God" come from?

"He always was" or "he just is" are not answers, if you truly believe that creation is the answer, then answer how creation was created

You ask for proof that God is eternal; well i ask for proof that the molecule is eternal.

Let me pose this as a counter question, just put of curiosity.

If everything had to have been created, where did "God" come from?

"He always was" or "he just is" are not answers, if you truly believe that creation is the answer, then answer how creation was created

God was eternal- he was the singularity of all spiritual energy and because of that he had no limitations and/ or things holding him back, kind of how atheists think of the Big Bang- where did that singularity come from? But the difference being Devine energy dous not have a limit if its unopposed

Let me pose this as a counter question, just put of curiosity.

If everything had to have been created, where did "God" come from?

"He always was" or "he just is" are not answers, if you truly believe that creation is the answer, then answer how creation was created

You ask for proof that God is eternal; well i ask for proof that the molecule is eternal.

Individual molecules are not eternal. That's the founding principle of chemistry. Even matter can be created and destroyed - that's how nuclear bombs work.

If you want some solid reasoning consider this - molecules - moreover all of the particles and forces in this reality can be represented extremely extremely if not exactly (statistically exactly) by mathematics and logic. This mathematics must have been in effect at the first instant of the Big Bang. How would an logical axiom like equal not be true in any reality or at any time? Is not 1=1 a timeless truth? Wouldn't that actually need to come before any rational awareness such as that of a god? Realities such as ours may simply be the expression of logical truth itself.

There is some thought that these mathematical and logical truths are what are eternal and the basis for all our reality. And we are experiencing this eternal truth that only appears to have time from an 'inside' perspective when in fact all time is an illusion - all possible events and realities occur simultaneously and eternally only having a fixed past and indeterminate future from a perspective within the framework.

Thus under that hypothesis there is no need for any creator.

It's nearly pure conjecture but just as valid a point of view as divine creation. In fact strike that - it seems slightly more plausible since it's a simpler explanation.

Thanks for clearing some stuff up, RedDogy and Aggra_Tetch.

@Robert
I understand the background of free will now but I am still confused about what does it include. Is it free will for humanity or each person has free will? As I had mentioned earlier, I am sure victims of mass crime had the will to escape and it was not their will to die or suffer. Also, part of the confusion in the story that I still do not understand is why did God interfere AFTER eve ate the apple, as seen in later stories in the bible, and then not at all anymore?

@Aggra_Tetch
So God is the idea of love? That requires love? Is this part of Christianity or another religion? What I disagree with in this perception is associating a being with a specific idea, unless you had something else in mind. I apologise if I am interpreting your response incorrectly. I find that I am capable of loving a person, idea, etc, without the need to see it as an entity. This is an interesting concept and I really do appreciate the fact that you mentioned the possibility of humans not being able to fully comprehend an idea. That is something I believe is true of all things and another reason why we should remain open to infinite possibilities.

I believe you meant me, so I will reply. I think each human has seperate free will, which would explain why Adam didnt eat the apple.

I also believe God intervened in this in a way, by dying for our sins.

Finally, as Aggra explained, God is love, and I feel He is hope too. With these things, He is 'intervening' today, just in another way.

Does this help?

Thanks for clearing some stuff up, RedDogy and Aggra_Tetch.

@Robert
I understand the background of free will now but I am still confused about what does it include. Is it free will for humanity or each person has free will? As I had mentioned earlier, I am sure victims of mass crime had the will to escape and it was not their will to die or suffer. Also, part of the confusion in the story that I still do not understand is why did God interfere AFTER eve ate the apple, as seen in later stories in the bible, and then not at all anymore?

@Aggra_Tetch
So God is the idea of love? That requires love? Is this part of Christianity or another religion? What I disagree with in this perception is associating a being with a specific idea, unless you had something else in mind. I apologise if I am interpreting your response incorrectly. I find that I am capable of loving a person, idea, etc, without the need to see it as an entity. This is an interesting concept and I really do appreciate the fact that you mentioned the possibility of humans not being able to fully comprehend an idea. That is something I believe is true of all things and another reason why we should remain open to infinite possibilities.

I believe you meant me, so I will reply. I think each human has seperate free will, which would explain why Adam didnt eat the apple.

I also believe God intervened in this in a way, by dying for our sins.

Finally, as Aggra explained, God is love, and I feel He is hope too. With these things, He is 'intervening' today, just in another way.

Does this help?

Since people are free to act on thier feelings through free will could you explain how 'god' is intervening? So we were given free will but somehow it is hijacked? Or has the intervening stopped since people sometimes are nice to each other?

Don't you think it's a bit misogynistic to blame all the problems of the world on women? Isn't it evil to punish billions of ancestors for the curiosity of a single woman whose only crime is to be informed? I wonder if the Christian stereotype of shunning overwhelming evidence isn't rooted a bit in believing that myth.

People can choose love and hope, and welcome Him, embrace him. He allows love and hope to be there.

And this was a sin, so it punished all of humanity, but He then gave us a second chance. For those that follow Him, he has promised a new Eternal life in Heaven, and those that dont go to meet Satan.

Death was never supposed to be there, but Satan convinced Eve to eat the apple, which God commanded her not too. Im sure if it were Adam in her place, the same wouldve happened.

Im done. With someone who wants Evidence and its shoved into his face, and yet sees it as a Myth, they are obviously closed minded.

Vraelen if you have anymore questions Ill answer them, but I will not reply to this wall named Plus3.

Im done. With someone who wants Evidence and its shoved into his face, and yet sees it as a Myth, they are obviously closed minded.

Vraelen if you have anymore questions Ill answer them, but I will not reply to this wall named Plus3.

You have presented absolutely zero evidence. Evidence is something that can be quantified and measured and that process is repeatable.

Evidence is not anecdotal stories. Nor anecdotal stories that are thousands of years old. I am instantly swayed by evidence.

An example is I was unaware of people denying catholics are Christians. My bad on my part because catholics represented Christianity for more than a thousand years before the sects that claim they aren't christian existed. I looked it up and as soon as I realized it wasnt just one crazy person I admitted I was wrong. Outside of that one thing no evidence has been presented where I actually learned anything.

Bible. Last Im gonna say to you.