Celtic Heroes

Im done. With someone who wants Evidence and its shoved into his face, and yet sees it as a Myth, they are obviously closed minded.

Vraelen if you have anymore questions Ill answer them, but I will not reply to this wall named Plus3.

Of course its a *** myth! Are you brain-dead!?!? You take the word of a book wrote 150 odd years after christ, as if that book is everything! No its a piece of fiction written to scare little kids into not *** with stuff you have been told not to, every era has these stories, Germanic had slenderman, Greek had pandora, myth is being written as we speak, google urban myths, some of them are disturbing, such as "people can lick too" or " aren't you glad you didn't turn on the light?" But they are all stories to scare kids into following their parents, dont be ignorant and take the words of an old book to heart. And btw are you a born-again christian? If not then you have been led on by naive parents.

you morons, i GET IT that it is supposed to have taken millions of years. you say that EVENTUALLY it will happen. well lets say there is some snake that gets a brand new ability that it has poison in its fangs. imagine all the cells it would take and have it work PEFECTLY to make the poison, dont get me started with the bombardier beetle that has TWO special abilities that would have to have all the cells work PERFECTLY on BOTH ABILITIES. there is a difference between random mutations like a missing arm or leg and innovative skills. i am not asking you to come up with a theory for every situation but to answer it all cuz eventually your gonna find something that you cant explain. it IS NOT that it will eventually happen, it is that it would HAVE TO BE THE CASE if evolution did happen. Plus3, you said that there are unbelievable random things that happen in our universe, but what if they are not in fact random and are an intelligent designer purposely doing it to achieve whatever purpose? it IS NOT that it is the case it is that it WOULD HAVE TO BE THE CASE that all these unbelievable events are random if there is no creator. for about 80 years or so they have been zapping fruit flies with x-rays to see if they will evolve. they said it would speed the process up 150x since it is x-rays and that fruit flies have half as many genes as humans. just about the only thing that has happened besides a bunch of them dying is an "eyeless" one was born. it was carried on for 10 generations but with them breeding the eyes came back. now i might be wrong but this might suggest some auto correction and if this is true then evolution is impossible.

i will again adress this "evidence" http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

the fossil record IS NOT EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION. of course there have been changes in the animal kingdom, but that does not mean that they evolved lol. there is this things called extinction. right now it is more evidence in the reccord against it. now all these scientist come up with the EXCUSE that we have not found them all. again it is not that it is the case it is that it WOULD HAVE to be the case, but i would accept that we may not have found them all though.

you science morons, just because species have "similar" DNS DOES NOT MEAN that they have the same ancestors. of course some species are going to have some similar DNA.

the geographical distribution, it is not real evidence for evolution, it is one of those things that just would be the way it is either way.

you MORONS, well duh in blunt cases like a killer meant to kill bacteria except the immune kind natural selection is going to work, only rebels against everything would go against that. but explain to be how things like eyebrows, tails on dogs, why trees are a certain color, etc. etc. etc. apply to natural selection. keeping things out of your eyes may be a comfort thing and would not really be a better chance to survive, unless there is a worst-case scenario like you get irritated while you are fighting. the non evidence called INTELLIGENT DESIGNERS PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT KINDS OF DOGS THEY WANT is beyond me how they are using that for evidence. show me more NATURAL changes in nature with evolution working the way they say it does.


now of course politics and opinion havnt hijacked all science, obviously. things like this are hijacked for a special purpose that i will not say.

our modern science cannot explain things today. watch this video. bear past the first mention of the flood and watch about 55 minutes of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4FOsxvCOc4 i am sure that some of the things are fakes/frauds but if you are an atheist IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TRUE that all are false. also explain to me how polystrate fossils occur. explain to me how we find human artifacts in coal that is supposed to be millions of years old. explain to me why they find human fossils that are dated to be millions of years old.

there a picture of a real, glaring t-rex supposedly, i dont know if it is just a pic from a movie that was turned black and white or what but he says that it was taken in 1947 and was hidden until just a little while ago. that might suggest that it is a fake but it might confirm that our modern science covers up things. it is on youtube but i have looked it up there and on the internet and there is nothing because those kinds of things are censored. if i find it then i will post it here.

there are far more pics that i have that i might use for evidence but all i would get is FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE which would have to be the case if evolution did occur. this isnt even all my evidence but i probly wont consider posting the rest with this wall named Plus3 here (now i know how Robert must have felt in the computer argument lol)

this part is an edit after i first posted this because i forgot to mention it.

oh yah, i have one other argument. i do not see how a single cell turned into two separate males and females. our own bodies are made of a-sexual cells, and each cell is living by itself, but all of them together make the male or female and can harness one whole different being. explain that to me.

You're calling us morons when you don't even understand evolution, with each evolutionary trait they don't just "work perfectly" things so simple such as moving a muscle took millions of years to perfect and master, however, these traits are shared among species, which is why most animals have things such as eyes, such as smell, and hearing, all are defence mechanisms, the very thing allowing your hopeless belief in a magical man is a defensive mechanism, thought was made so the body could better predict survival ways, please don't give me half thought out points, you just keep throwing the "god did it" argument, wanna know what else god did? He sat back with some popcorn and watched WW1-WW2 as if it was an action film, what a great "all-caring" being.

you morons, i GET IT that it is supposed to have taken millions of years. you say that EVENTUALLY it will happen. well lets say there is some snake that gets a brand new ability that it has poison in its fangs. imagine all the cells it would take and have it work PEFECTLY to make the poison, dont get me started with the bombardier beetle that has TWO special abilities that would have to have all the cells work PERFECTLY on BOTH ABILITIES. there is a difference between random mutations like a missing arm or leg and innovative skills. i am not asking you to come up with a theory for every situation but to answer it all cuz eventually your gonna find something that you cant explain. it IS NOT that it will eventually happen, it is that it would HAVE TO BE THE CASE if evolution did happen. Plus3, you said that there are unbelievable random things that happen in our universe, but what if they are not in fact random and are an intelligent designer purposely doing it to achieve whatever purpose? it IS NOT that it is the case it is that it WOULD HAVE TO BE THE CASE that all these unbelievable events are random if there is no creator. for about 80 years or so they have been zapping fruit flies with x-rays to see if they will evolve. they said it would speed the process up 150x since it is x-rays and that fruit flies have half as many genes as humans. just about the only thing that has happened besides a bunch of them dying is an "eyeless" one was born. it was carried on for 10 generations but with them breeding the eyes came back. now i might be wrong but this might suggest some auto correction and if this is true then evolution is impossible.

i will again adress this "evidence" http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

the fossil record IS NOT EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION. of course there have been changes in the animal kingdom, but that does not mean that they evolved lol. there is this things called extinction. right now it is more evidence in the reccord against it. now all these scientist come up with the EXCUSE that we have not found them all. again it is not that it is the case it is that it WOULD HAVE to be the case, but i would accept that we may not have found them all though.

you science morons, just because species have "similar" DNS DOES NOT MEAN that they have the same ancestors. of course some species are going to have some similar DNA.

the geographical distribution, it is not real evidence for evolution, it is one of those things that just would be the way it is either way.

you MORONS, well duh in blunt cases like a killer meant to kill bacteria except the immune kind natural selection is going to work, only rebels against everything would go against that. but explain to be how things like eyebrows, tails on dogs, why trees are a certain color, etc. etc. etc. apply to natural selection. keeping things out of your eyes may be a comfort thing and would not really be a better chance to survive, unless there is a worst-case scenario like you get irritated while you are fighting. the non evidence called INTELLIGENT DESIGNERS PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT KINDS OF DOGS THEY WANT is beyond me how they are using that for evidence. show me more NATURAL changes in nature with evolution working the way they say it does.


now of course politics and opinion havnt hijacked all science, obviously. things like this are hijacked for a special purpose that i will not say.

our modern science cannot explain things today. watch this video. bear past the first mention of the flood and watch about 55 minutes of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4FOsxvCOc4 i am sure that some of the things are fakes/frauds but if you are an atheist IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TRUE that all are false. also explain to me how polystrate fossils occur. explain to me how we find human artifacts in coal that is supposed to be millions of years old. explain to me why they find human fossils that are dated to be millions of years old.

there a picture of a real, glaring t-rex supposedly, i dont know if it is just a pic from a movie that was turned black and white or what but he says that it was taken in 1947 and was hidden until just a little while ago. that might suggest that it is a fake but it might confirm that our modern science covers up things. it is on youtube but i have looked it up there and on the internet and there is nothing because those kinds of things are censored. if i find it then i will post it here.

there are far more pics that i have that i might use for evidence but all i would get is FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE which would have to be the case if evolution did occur. this isnt even all my evidence but i probly wont consider posting the rest with this wall named Plus3 here (now i know how Robert must have felt in the computer argument lol)

this part is an edit after i first posted this because i forgot to mention it.

oh yah, i have one other argument. i do not see how a single cell turned into two separate males and females. our own bodies are made of a-sexual cells, and each cell is living by itself, but all of them together make the male or female and can harness one whole different being. explain that to me.

Also the eyeless fly would have regrown the eye because it realised it was a step backward, the human body can fully alter its genome in 1/2 a year and implement those changes. And don't say "then why cant I grow wings?" You can't grow wings because the body doesn't answer the the conscious thought and it knows wings are pointless. And are you claiming the T-Rex was alive in 1947? Because if you are then you are dumber than I thought. If dinosaurs existed now humans wouldn't stand a chance. You would have raptors eating people, various birds eating people, plant eaters stepping on people. And humans did live millions of years ago, and of course science cant explain some things. We are smart but not that smart. The latest huge development in disproving Christianity would be the proving of the Higgs boson, if you understand super symmetry you know that each fermion has a respective boson that controls a certain force, Higgs boson meditates mass, ergo god, even if he does exist is not "eternal" as the fermion/boson controlling weak and strong force wouldn't exist, therefore god himself would be unable to exist, unless you are implicating god is smaller than an atom, in which case, I laugh at your in-intellegence

Im done. With someone who wants Evidence and its shoved into his face, and yet sees it as a Myth, they are obviously closed minded.

Vraelen if you have anymore questions Ill answer them, but I will not reply to this wall named Plus3.

Of course its a ****** myth! Are you brain-dead!?!? You take the word of a book wrote 150 odd years after christ, as if that book is everything! No its a piece of fiction written to scare little kids into not ****** with stuff you have been told not to, every era has these stories, Germanic had slenderman, Greek had pandora, myth is being written as we speak, google urban myths, some of them are disturbing, such as "people can lick too" or " aren't you glad you didn't turn on the light?" But they are all stories to scare kids into following their parents, dont be ignorant and take the words of an old book to heart. And btw are you a born-again christian? If not then you have been led on by naive parents.

Actually the bible was just put together some 150 years after Christ. The books of the bible were all written about 50 years after Christ. It is not a piece of fiction, as many historians use the bible as a resource and not just Christian scholors. Also, it is not just to get people to behave, as nowhere in the bible does it say you have to be good or something bad will happen to you. It is not one of those "every age has one" things either becaus the bible has been used for thousands of years, starting with just the Old Testament but eventually the New Testament was put into it too.

Wow. I think 'you science morons' while posting to the Internet with a computer says it all. I'll look at the video (skim) and get back to u.

I don't understand what your point is with the computer argument. We are discussing the validity of evolution, computers were not made through evolution, they were made by intelligent human beings (intelligent design ).

@Rochoh
When you say "science morons" to whom are you referring? You can hardly call someone a moron for believing in evolution, they are just looking at evidence a certain way.

The reason there is even a debate like this is because science is very objective when it comes to past events, we have a massive amount of evidence but no real proof. It is like having a huge jigsaw puzzle where all the pieces are squares, they fit together in more than one way. An example of this is the similarity of DNA in different organsims. The fact that organisms are similar can be used to argue that it is evidence of a common ancestor, but at the same time you can just as easily argue that it points to a common designer. Science itself is objective, people are subjective.
To be quite technical, you can scientifically prove that every time you do A, B will happen. But you cannot "scientifically prove that you did A and B happened.

I agree. I am not a believer in evolution and I think it is wrong. I do not think that this justifies calling people morons. Let's keep this conversation civil please.

you morons, i GET IT that it is supposed to have taken millions of years. you say that EVENTUALLY it will happen. well lets say there is some snake that gets a brand new ability that it has poison in its fangs. imagine all the cells it would take and have it work PEFECTLY to make the poison, dont get me started with the bombardier beetle that has TWO special abilities that would have to have all the cells work PERFECTLY on BOTH ABILITIES. there is a difference between random mutations like a missing arm or leg and innovative skills. i am not asking you to come up with a theory for every situation but to answer it all cuz eventually your gonna find something that you cant explain. it IS NOT that it will eventually happen, it is that it would HAVE TO BE THE CASE if evolution did happen. Plus3, you said that there are unbelievable random things that happen in our universe, but what if they are not in fact random and are an intelligent designer purposely doing it to achieve whatever purpose? it IS NOT that it is the case it is that it WOULD HAVE TO BE THE CASE that all these unbelievable events are random if there is no creator. for about 80 years or so they have been zapping fruit flies with x-rays to see if they will evolve. they said it would speed the process up 150x since it is x-rays and that fruit flies have half as many genes as humans. just about the only thing that has happened besides a bunch of them dying is an "eyeless" one was born. it was carried on for 10 generations but with them breeding the eyes came back. now i might be wrong but this might suggest some auto correction and if this is true then evolution is impossible.

i will again adress this "evidence" http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

the fossil record IS NOT EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION. of course there have been changes in the animal kingdom, but that does not mean that they evolved lol. there is this things called extinction. right now it is more evidence in the reccord against it. now all these scientist come up with the EXCUSE that we have not found them all. again it is not that it is the case it is that it WOULD HAVE to be the case, but i would accept that we may not have found them all though.

you science morons, just because species have "similar" DNS DOES NOT MEAN that they have the same ancestors. of course some species are going to have some similar DNA.

the geographical distribution, it is not real evidence for evolution, it is one of those things that just would be the way it is either way.

you MORONS, well duh in blunt cases like a killer meant to kill bacteria except the immune kind natural selection is going to work, only rebels against everything would go against that. but explain to be how things like eyebrows, tails on dogs, why trees are a certain color, etc. etc. etc. apply to natural selection. keeping things out of your eyes may be a comfort thing and would not really be a better chance to survive, unless there is a worst-case scenario like you get irritated while you are fighting. the non evidence called INTELLIGENT DESIGNERS PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT KINDS OF DOGS THEY WANT is beyond me how they are using that for evidence. show me more NATURAL changes in nature with evolution working the way they say it does.


now of course politics and opinion havnt hijacked all science, obviously. things like this are hijacked for a special purpose that i will not say.

our modern science cannot explain things today. watch this video. bear past the first mention of the flood and watch about 55 minutes of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4FOsxvCOc4 i am sure that some of the things are fakes/frauds but if you are an atheist IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TRUE that all are false. also explain to me how polystrate fossils occur. explain to me how we find human artifacts in coal that is supposed to be millions of years old. explain to me why they find human fossils that are dated to be millions of years old.

there a picture of a real, glaring t-rex supposedly, i dont know if it is just a pic from a movie that was turned black and white or what but he says that it was taken in 1947 and was hidden until just a little while ago. that might suggest that it is a fake but it might confirm that our modern science covers up things. it is on youtube but i have looked it up there and on the internet and there is nothing because those kinds of things are censored. if i find it then i will post it here.

there are far more pics that i have that i might use for evidence but all i would get is FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE which would have to be the case if evolution did occur. this isnt even all my evidence but i probly wont consider posting the rest with this wall named Plus3 here (now i know how Robert must have felt in the computer argument lol)

this part is an edit after i first posted this because i forgot to mention it.

oh yah, i have one other argument. i do not see how a single cell turned into two separate males and females. our own bodies are made of a-sexual cells, and each cell is living by itself, but all of them together make the male or female and can harness one whole different being. explain that to me.

Also the eyeless fly would have regrown the eye because it realised it was a step backward, the human body can fully alter its genome in 1/2 a year and implement those changes. And don't say "then why cant I grow wings?" You can't grow wings because the body doesn't answer the the conscious thought and it knows wings are pointless. And are you claiming the T-Rex was alive in 1947? Because if you are then you are dumber than I thought. If dinosaurs existed now humans wouldn't stand a chance. You would have raptors eating people, various birds eating people, plant eaters stepping on people. And humans did live millions of years ago, and of course science cant explain some things. We are smart but not that smart. The latest huge development in disproving Christianity would be the proving of the Higgs boson, if you understand super symmetry you know that each fermion has a respective boson that controls a certain force, Higgs boson meditates mass, ergo god, even if he does exist is not "eternal" as the fermion/boson controlling weak and strong force wouldn't exist, therefore god himself would be unable to exist, unless you are implicating god is smaller than an atom, in which case, I laugh at your in-intellegence

As for your thing about the Higgs boson thingy(which I admit I have never even heard of) this is not applicable in this case. If you know anything about Christianity you should know that God created everything. Also He is a spirit being. He is also not bound by the laws of this universe. This would make sense if you think about it. If He truly exists, is all-powerful, and has always existed, then what makes you think that He needs to abide by the rules of the universe which He created? As I have already posted I will be posting a very large post in the near future which will be in favor of creationism. This might not be in it though. But no one has answered my question yet. If God does not exist then how did atoms/molecules get here in the first place? It's something to think about. In my opinion, it takes a lot more faith to believe in evolution(which real science does not agree with) than creationism(which real science does agree with).

Sorry, RedDogy, I did in fact mean you. I do not know why I said Robert. I guess I was tired and just thought of R names...

Anyways, thank you very much. At this point I still lean towards more physical evidence but there is certainly an increased possibility in religion, at least in my mind. After all, there are still billions and billions of unknowns which could very well be the result of a god or of some other process.


With that said (addressing the topic), beliefs in the unknown should not be treated as silly or completely false.

Its fine, glad I could help.

I agree, just because I look to religion more then evolution, I dont treat it as silly. I try to stay open-minded.

first off, i think vraelan is the only one here who is not a wall and i am mainly replying to him but anyone that didnt understand my first post can read this. sorry if didnt explain things very good in my first post, and i was mainly referring to the walls as morons.

i do think that microevolution can occur, but it does not work the way that macro is supposed to. the cells make small adaptions themselves, nothing to do with random mutations. that is what was going on with darwin's finches, this applies to muscle building, and another example is the people in the andes mountains. they have much more developed chests because they have to use the oxygen more efficiently because of the altitude. only small adaptions in the species themselves.

now i do not know how the fossil record is supposed to be evidence for evolution. their excuse for it is that we have only found 5% or whatever, but the fossil record is currently not evidence.

now, i do not see why an intelligent designer could not or would not make species with similar dna. this is not necessarily evidence for or against it, its just how you interpret it. some scientists use the dna itself for evidence. again, there is no reason why a creator couldnt use the same genetic code for all species.

for the geographical distribution, it is how you interpret it. there is no reason why a creator could not distribute them out differently like that.

i hope this will help you more. i have a little more about what i think about the "beginning" and such so PM me if you want to hear. i would like to hear what you have to say about the video though.



NOW, it is time for the walls. i dont think that i will budge them but at least i can say that i tried.

first Magixal, there is a video called eyewitness to jesus. it shoes evidence that the jesus papyrus was written in the eyewitness period. its not that it is a myth, its that it would have to be a myth if evolution is true.

i understand evolution, the problem is that you dont. you say that it doesn't have to work perfectly, except that it does, what would half the cells needed to make venom do without the other half? what would one small bone in the ear do without the others? of course there would have to be trial and error, but this is ridiculous. you are such a wall. hopeless belief in a magical man? first off, i do not think of God as modern christianity has him out to be. second off, your hopeless belief that all things came because of perfect random events, is proven wrong.

(EDIT: i think that all ancient legends are deprived from truth, whether dragons from dinosaurs, oh and in that video in my first post, some of the pterodactyl sightings the ppl claimed that they glowed. if that is true, that would solve two things, one, it would describe the fiery flying serpents mentioned in the bible, two, it would answer the indian legends of mysterious lights flying around at night, not to mention that indian prayer staffs to this day have pterodactyl heads on them, which was also mentioned in my video. maybe the idea of the fiery dragon came from the pterodactyl. and also ALL ancient cultures have their legends about a great world wide flood, of course the detail would be different from the bible but that would say alot right there.)

there is a proven natural law that cannot be fought, it applies to everything, and it the law of increasing entropy, which shows that everything in our universe tends to wind down towards less complexity and disorganization. look it up, it is an accepted law by our scientists. things wear down, society goes to hell until god comes back and fixes it, our rooms accumulate and get disorganized. this is simply a law, like gravity. and just cuz you morons on earth cannot think up of a way that god would allow the world wars to happen does not mean that he did not have a purpose, since he created and can comprehend the whole universe i am sure he would know more than you about WWII.

HOW THE HELL WOULD THE BODY KNOW BY ITSELF IF THE EYE IS GOOD OR BAD??? THAT IS A CHOICE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE THAT COULD ONLY BELONG TO INTELLIGENT BEINGS, OR IF HE IMPLEMENTED AUTO CORRECTION INTO THE BODY!!!!! HOW THE HELL WOULD THE HUMAN BODY KNOW THAT WINGS ARE "USELESS"!!!! IT IS A NATURAL PART OF OUR NATURE TO WANT TO FLY!!!!!! THAT IS THE BIGGEST OXYMORON EVER!!!!!!

sigh, i was not saying that i 100% believe in the t-rex, but if it is proven that it is not false then you are the dumb one. yes, people might be killed by dinosaurs, but they would generally be driven away from cities, and just maybe they arent they way we imagine them, just invading and eating anything they see. if you watch my video, there are plenty of stories of people killing dinosaurs, and maybe its the humans that killed off all the dinosaurs or most of them.

oh, humans did live millions of years ago did they? they were supposed to have arrived 100 thousand years ago at the most. you show lots of evidence that you dont know much about your own belief. and a little while ago i saw on the national news this story of a modern human skull that was dated to be 200 milion years!!! i at least think that it was 200 milion, if not then it was still far too old to agree with evolution. and its not that science cant explain some things, its that there are MAJOR PROBLEMS that TOTALLY disagree with our modern science, if you can find them with our media today.

that last little bit, i did not quite get what you meant, how is this evidence against god?

the dinosaur video that i am talking about in this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4FOsxvCOc4

First off, I don't know about you guys, but I would just love to have wings. I can think of no way at all that they would be useless (unless you're afraid of heights). They would have been SO helpful to the first humans. Even if they couldn't fly with them they could glide which would be EXTREMELY helpful (jumping along trees etc). Also, science has shown that mutations are bad in general. Also, it can't be natural selection that makes all these traits. I'll admit it could do some small things over a really long time (think giraffe's long neck over 1000000000000 years) but it couldn't give something wings, for example.

About the "God-can't-exist-because-of-war" argument. God doesn't start the wars. He allows people to has free will. It is people with free will that do these terrible things. And God does interfere. You may have noticed that Hitler was defeated. Not without huge cost in lives, but those lives were repricussions of HIS actions. Maybe not always in huge ways, but he helps in everyday life.

First off, I don't know about you guys, but I would just love to have wings. I can think of no way at all that they would be useless (unless you're afraid of heights). They would have been SO helpful to the first humans. Even if they couldn't fly with them they could glide which would be EXTREMELY helpful (jumping along trees etc). Also, science has shown that mutations are bad in general. Also, it can't be natural selection that makes all these traits. I'll admit it could do some small things over a really long time (think giraffe's long neck over 1000000000000 years) but it couldn't give something wings, for example.

About the "God-can't-exist-because-of-war" argument. God doesn't start the wars. He allows people to has free will. It is people with free will that do these terrible things. And God does interfere. You may have noticed that Hitler was defeated. Not without huge cost in lives, but those lives were repricussions of HIS actions. Maybe not always in huge ways, but he helps in everyday life.

I agree, this goes with my Love and Hope post.

As for evolution? I doubt that the millions of species on Earth all came by chance, and yet go perfectly with the opposite gender.