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Re: A discussion about religion

#761
And eldrick, have you even heard of any Christian charities, for example, the majority of them, will go to Africa and give food. They will then give a 2 hour sermon about the food, and if you are one of the african kids who cant be fussed to sit through it because you gotta get water for you family? Tough. No food for you. They are only nice to get you to convert. Like Jehovah's witnesses, they manipulate your mind into liking them.
I have been on mission trips to Mexico to build houses for people, and no, we didn't preach at anyone, stop pretending like you know anything about Christian missions, and once again, your little list of good deeds is so pathetic I want to laugh.

And for the record I am not a Christian and I have no intention of trying to look good because I did this or that.

Re: A discussion about religion

#762
And another point eldrick, hittler fixed a lot of Germany before he started the holocaust, a dictator can help, kin Jong Il, he vastly improved the country, but at the cost of many lives being ruined. Read man read, wise up on facts, not fiction. I dare you.
What does this have to do with anything I said? I am full well aware of what Hitler did and did not do, I don't remember this thread turning into a discussion of WWII, I don't think I have even said "Hitler" even once before this post.

Also answer my question about where you are getting the Christian god hates black thing, I really want to know.

Re: A discussion about religion

#763
You said it sickens you morally, what moral standard are you following?
So some1 killing some1 else who is innocent doesn't sicken you? Nice to know you are a freak sociopath :)
Answer my question, I am running out of patience with you... What moral standard are you following?

Re: A discussion about religion

#764
And another point eldrick, hittler fixed a lot of Germany before he started the holocaust, a dictator can help, kin Jong Il, he vastly improved the country, but at the cost of many lives being ruined. Read man read, wise up on facts, not fiction. I dare you.
What does this have to do with anything I said? I am full well aware of what Hitler did and did not do, I don't remember this thread turning into a discussion of WWII, I don't think I have even said "Hitler" even once before this post.

Also answer my question about where you are getting the Christian god hates black thing, I really want to know.
You mentioned the dictatorship and about how apparently I was being "inconsistent by raising more than 1 problem with christianity

Re: A discussion about religion

#765
And eldrick, have you even heard of any Christian charities, for example, the majority of them, will go to Africa and give food. They will then give a 2 hour sermon about the food, and if you are one of the african kids who cant be fussed to sit through it because you gotta get water for you family? Tough. No food for you. They are only nice to get you to convert. Like Jehovah's witnesses, they manipulate your mind into liking them.
I have been on mission trips to Mexico to build houses for people, and no, we didn't preach at anyone, stop pretending like you know anything about Christian missions, and once again, your little list of good deeds is so pathetic I want to laugh.

And for the record I am not a Christian and I have no intention of trying to look good because I did this or that.
Well you are clearly not a good person if you feel the need to brag as you do, and generosity doesn't have to be anything big, you think I can get a plane, heck no I afraid of planes.

Re: A discussion about religion

#766
You said it sickens you morally, what moral standard are you following?
So some1 killing some1 else who is innocent doesn't sicken you? Nice to know you are a freak sociopath :)
Answer my question, I am running out of patience with you... What moral standard are you following?
Wasn't my moral standard, was plus3's moral standard.

Re: A discussion about religion

#767
And eldrick, have you even heard of any Christian charities, for example, the majority of them, will go to Africa and give food. They will then give a 2 hour sermon about the food, and if you are one of the african kids who cant be fussed to sit through it because you gotta get water for you family? Tough. No food for you. They are only nice to get you to convert. Like Jehovah's witnesses, they manipulate your mind into liking them.
I have been on mission trips to Mexico to build houses for people, and no, we didn't preach at anyone, stop pretending like you know anything about Christian missions, and once again, your little list of good deeds is so pathetic I want to laugh.

And for the record I am not a Christian and I have no intention of trying to look good because I did this or that.
And google christian religions, the majority will give a "short sermon" before any deposit of food to the african kids, mind manipulation, its sick. When did religion become the government? Religion is what you believe and now that it has become integrated with the government, they are forcing you to believe them, mass oppression. THE ILLUMINATI WILL FIGHT!

Re: A discussion about religion

#768
First off i think you may be confusing what the bible says god did versus what it tells people to do. It tells people to kill gays. God also kills gays. So I see your confusion. God is all powerful don't tell me out of thousands there were no innocents like babies etc. when god murders whole peoples it sickens me morally despite stone age moral reasoning.

The Christian religion has been used to consolidate power outside of political boundaries like borders of countries. There is often a supreme leader who cannot be questioned and dictates to followers who feel they have no choice but to follow. I think it is a good analogy.

Finally I donate around 15 thousand us dollars a year to charities of my choice. I volunteer to pick up trash and help keep my neighborhood clean. I donated weeks of my time in the last year to help teach robotics to school age kids. Probably more than you did but if you are poor I don't expect you to be able to contribute as much. I don't need an all powerful mommy threatening eternal spanking to do good for people.

Christiians only do good because they try to convert people and get thier money. It's nearly completely self serving. It's far more moral to help people and not poison thier brains with religion.

Makes me wonder if you wouldn't stop mudering, raping, and stealing if you didn't think Santa was watching you.
@ your 2nd paragraph
The christian religion is hardly in power in your country (I understand you are American, correct me if I am wrong), and you are supposed to have a separation between your government and your country's religions. So once again, I do not see how this argument is relevant to your crusade against Christianity.

@ 3rd and 4th paragraph
Not only have you just denounced millions of acts of self-sacrifice and kindness as all being self-serving, you have set up your own measly little "good deeds" as superior, the fact that I think your claims are bullcrap aside as it is irrelevant, cleaning your own neighborhood isn't self-sacrifice, its cleaning your own neighborhood, it is logical and also self serving (not that there is a problem with doing things for yourself, but stop trying to appear righteous over something like that, I doubt you risked death torture or disease to rake the leaves), donating to a charity is nice, if you actually donate to a charity, how cute. My brother risked being killed by guerrilla troopers in the Philippines while helping plant rice and my mother nearly died from food poisoning while helping build houses for people who have nothing deep in Mexico. Thank you for saying what they did was completely self-serving and only for the money, I'll remember that next time I read about a christian being tortured to death or the next time I have a personal friend jailed in a 3rd world country for trying to follow what he believes in, its definitely all for the money.

And you had the gall to call me a bigot for saying atheists aren't held to any moral standard other than the law.

@ 4th paragraph
I have never murdered or raped anyone and I have not stolen anything since I was 6 and stole candy from the pantry, I also never believed in Santa. What is your point?
I said Christians just want money and that's why they help people. In general this is how it works - Christianity is not really a non profit. They have billions and billions of dollars. Not every single person is obviously out to get money but this is statistically true - that they indroctinate the people they help and thus take thier money. Even if what your family did was well intentioned, those activities are strongly correlated with heavy indroctination by someone and probably helped to convert people thus building a finnincal base.

Also it sounds like you have done nothing. If you are going to accuse others of doing nothing then don't brag about how you are doing good by giving examples of what others do. You sound stupid. You did not even ask about my family.

My Point is that it is far moral to help people and to expect nothing. To not hurt even if you could get away free and expect no punishment this life or the 'next'. Helping people to get into Disneyland afterlife isn't what I would call actually being altruistic instead it is more self centered. Additionally to say you are moral because you fear an all knowing deity will punish you implies that you have no morality at all - none. It implies that you would murder, steal, etc and the only thing holding you back is your fear of god.
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Re: A discussion about religion

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You said it sickens you morally, what moral standard are you following?
So some1 killing some1 else who is innocent doesn't sicken you? Nice to know you are a freak sociopath :)
Answer my question, I am running out of patience with you... What moral standard are you following?
Moral standards are evolved into species. Even primates have some morals. This is beneficial as humans lived in small groups. Murdering and stealing everything would make society fail. Those genes for the brain issues wouldn't get passed as often. It actually is quite simple to see that it's highly likely morality is itself in a base way evolved right in due to evolution. It explains why 33% of the world is Christian but the vast majority of societies have many important moral similarities. Such as murdering babies is bad.

Its sad people have such weak minds they think that Christians - a minority among people - hold the moral high ground. Especially when you look at the bible and see the stone age horror that passes for morality that's in there.
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Re: A discussion about religion

#770
These people think god has a gun to thier head so to appease the almighty they do good in the hopes of eternal reward.

If I put a gun to your head and forced you to help someone are you being moral? Are you doing it to help people? Or to save your own ass first?

The whole thing is a sham. Truly moral people do not expect any reward instead of being coerced into doing good things. Truly moral people do not harm others even though they could do it and get away completely free with no punishment of any kind.
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