Celtic Heroes

@ Atheists (There are a few) Please Reply to EVERYTHING we talk about. Your Cherry picking right now too.

I am unfamiliar with the God killing Gays stories, but I do know it says Man shall not sleep with another man. I think this means 1 of 2 things.

1) That Men can not reproduce with other Men

2) Men can love, but not act as a Man/Woman couple.

I am a Christian /chatolic
I dont agree with gay marriage
I dOnt mind if you disagree is MY opinion

@ Atheists (There are a few) Please Reply to EVERYTHING we talk about. Your Cherry picking right now too.

I am unfamiliar with the God killing Gays stories, but I do know it says Man shall not sleep with another man. I think this means 1 of 2 things.

1) That Men can not reproduce with other Men

2) Men can love, but not act as a Man/Woman couple.

1) What does it say right after 'a man who sleeps with another man'? Last time I checked any translation it said to kill them. I would be curious where an actual passage said this is because it cannot result in children. All I've been able to find is stuff like 'for it is a horrible act'.

2) yes god may have created them gay but will eternally punish them for loving in the manner they were created to enjoy.


Don't you think its a bit odd the creator of everything would even care where you put your genitals given everyone involved is mature and ok with it?

It's interesting how the bible is used as a cover for bigotry. Perhaps if we didn't respect unfounded belief it would remove this problem.

I am a Christian /chatolic
I dont agree with gay marriage
I dOnt mind if you disagree is MY opinion

Not agreeing with gay marriage is a different topic than what's being talked about. Which is the bible says to kill gays. People are discussing how god kills (or dosent) gays. And how being gay and expressing sexual feelings for someone of the same sex is morally wrong.

On the topic you mentioned - well im married to a member of the opposite sex and yet I'm glad my vote is helping to overturn these bigoted laws. Most of these laws were inspired by the superior high moral ground of Christianity.

Its quite simple actually. Do to others as you would do unto yourself. A few others as well. In fact I'd argue religious people do this when they condem some bible passages and cherry pick others as obviously almost no Christians believe it all.

If you want to be educated try this link for an introduction. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
Follow references for further info.

Its sad that 33% of a minority opinion like Christians think they own morality when it both predates Christianity and also is owned by no religion.

Thank you for answering the question, you are saying you are held to this standard yes?

Its quite simple actually. Do to others as you would do unto yourself. A few others as well. In fact I'd argue religious people do this when they condem some bible passages and cherry pick others as obviously almost no Christians believe it all.

If you want to be educated try this link for an introduction. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
Follow references for further info.

Its sad that 33% of a minority opinion like Christians think they own morality when it both predates Christianity and also is owned by no religion.

Thank you for answering the question, you are saying you are held to this standard yes?

No. No one is 'held' to a moral standard except perhaps people who think an all powerful diety is watching every move just itching to torture you forever.

I am simply saying you do not need mandates distributed by Bronze Age texts to be moral.

And if I was spouting off about unfounded beliefs I would expect to be curtly corrected.

So EdElric,

How is it being moral when god has a proverbial gun to your head forcing people to do good? Do Christians do good things to help people or do they primarily do it for thier own self interest? Because of the eternal threat of torture/bliss overhangs it all it smacks of self centered behavior and not altruism.

Its pretty obvious it is more moral to do it when you don't believe god will torture you eternally because that just about only leaves helping people as the main motivator. Aside from people who shamelessly brag about actions in an attempt to be arrogant and feel better than others. That usually stems from feelings of inadequacy.

Christians don't believe they will go to hell if they don't do the things they do, you have it all wrong:

"For by grace are you saved, through faith. And that, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, NOT BY WORKS, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

They do good things because they want to help people and they think that is what pleases God.
You are assigning motives. If you read enough into any action and assign motives to it you can make the most wonderful things look like horrid atrocities, and the most horrid things look perfectly fine. Humans are so easy to manipulate.

On another note, I do not understand why someone's motives for doing something is relevant to you, results should be more important to an atheist. There is no afterlife for you to be punished for doing things for the wrong reason so all that matters is that you do the right thing, not why you do it.

Its quite simple actually. Do to others as you would do unto yourself. A few others as well. In fact I'd argue religious people do this when they condem some bible passages and cherry pick others as obviously almost no Christians believe it all.

If you want to be educated try this link for an introduction. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism
Follow references for further info.

Its sad that 33% of a minority opinion like Christians think they own morality when it both predates Christianity and also is owned by no religion.

Thank you for answering the question, you are saying you are held to this standard yes?

No. No one is 'held' to a moral standard except perhaps people who think an all powerful diety is watching every move just itching to torture you forever.

I am simply saying you do not need mandates distributed by Bronze Age texts to be moral.

And if I was spouting off about unfounded beliefs I would expect to be curtly corrected.

So my statement that atheists are not held to any moral standard (excluding the law that you are forced to follow), was correct?

Thank you for answering the question, you are saying you are held to this standard yes?

No. No one is 'held' to a moral standard except perhaps people who think an all powerful diety is watching every move just itching to torture you forever.

I am simply saying you do not need mandates distributed by Bronze Age texts to be moral.

And if I was spouting off about unfounded beliefs I would expect to be curtly corrected.

So my statement that atheists are not held to any moral standard (excluding the law that you are forced to follow), was correct?

True and false both. True in that there is no moral authority from divine origin that holds people accountable. False in that this is the morality that everyone (including Christians) use to judge people as moral.

Your tone in the original post snobby and arrogant.

Christians don't believe they will go to hell if they don't do the things they do, you have it all wrong:

"For by grace are you saved, through faith. And that, not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, NOT BY WORKS, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

They do good things because they want to help people and they think that is what pleases God.
You are assigning motives. If you read enough into any action and assign motives to it you can make the most wonderful things look like horrid atrocities, and the most horrid things look perfectly fine. Humans are so easy to manipulate.

On another note, I do not understand why someone's motives for doing something is relevant to you, results should be more important to an atheist. There is no afterlife for you to be punished for doing things for the wrong reason so all that matters is that you do the right thing, not why you do it.

So you can go into a church and commit mass murder but if you love god he will save you? Catholics believe you must be forgiven for example. Christians believe it is up to god to judge - getting a day in court requires this 'love' but does not guarantee a not guilty verdict.

The reason it is important is because I keep hearing how Christians delivered morality to the world. They claim to be the most altruistic. But to me if someone straps a remote controlled bomb to you and orders you to do it or die it's not altruism.