Celtic Heroes

According to your doctrine, I'm going to hell for all eternity to be tortured because god wants to prove to me how much he loves me.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E15IC3YKv8g

That analogy is interesting except for these facts:

- God does not cause bad things. He only allows them to happen when necessary.

- God is not psychotic.

God doesn't allow bad things to happen at all, he just doesn't help where he's not accepted.

"Its like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it's victorious."

You're the one who made an account just to argue about something you have no evidence for. If god shoots me with lightning in the next 10 secs, I will believe in him. 10. 9. 8. 7. 6. 5. 4. 3. 2. 1. 0...
Well, im still un-electrocuted, science and common sense-1. God-0

Where's your evidence as to my motive for making this account? You should visit mabon sometime. JehovahsArmy is my characters name. I made the character this name to welcome friendly conversation about my philosophy, beliefs and views. I'm always interested in finding like minded people and even more interested in finding those who are as UNlike minded as possible yet still open to friendly discussions. Those are the people I learn the most from. For anyone interested my name is intended to refer to the concept of a super human vigilante (either E.T. or divine) being necessary to come before the world can drastically change for the better. It also refers to my belief that we can all assist such an entity in the most important way. By valuing and searching for truth, becoming skilled at debate and reasoning so we can better challenge each other to find truth, and by boldly standing up for what our conscience tells us is right even if its at great cost to ourselves. As a side note, an interesting book series that inspired me was "Dune" by Frank Herbert. Most notably "The God King".

Scientists do not join hands every Sunday and sing "Yes gravity is real! I know gravity is real! I will have faith! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about the concept.” Quote taken from dan barker

To quote Isaac Asimov "to surrender to ignorance and call it god has always been premature and it remains premature today"

To quote Galileo Galilei "in questions of science, the authority of 1000 is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual"

"Many of us saw religion as harmless nonsense. Beliefs might lack all supporting evidence but, we thought, if people needed a crutch for consolation, where's the harm? September 11th changed all that" Richard Dawkins quote

"Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly" Isaac Asimov quote

Also, there is no evidence to disprove the idea that fairies live in your garden, does that make the fairies real?
No. But it makes the giant white bearded man in the sky who has a lack of disproving evidence real?

Liviticus: "God doesn't allow bad things to happen at all, he just doesn't help where he's not accepted.

Too bad basically everyone that died in world war 2 believed in god. Yep, nothing bad happened to them. All those Jews that suffered greatly wanted to die and wanted suffering in their life. All their loved ones and friends in far away countries were completely fine with it. By going by what you've stated, the innocent, happy and friendly Jews who believed in god, decided not to welcome god anymore and so bad things came their way. You don't contradict yourself at all. Your completely correct. All your claims can't be debunked and are based on factual evidence.

I know your actually 100% serious about that statement, but i actually now consider you a troll.

Nobody should reply to this guy anymore. I equate his entire world view to a online forum troll.

Just a another deep seated religious person who is following one of the 1/10000s of gods and religions that their have been.

Just another religous person who expierences and says similar things that people have been said about the 10000s of other relgions and gods.

Just another common religous person who lives his life by ordinary words and thoughts.