Celtic Heroes

Love how Christians choose to not respond when I say " they say god is real due to lack of dis-proving evidence, if so, can the same be said for a murderer?" Just shows that Christians are stumbling head over heels about it.

I have no idea where the idea that God is real because of lack of disproving evidence sprouted. Wherever it did, that is obviously bad logic. You can define something, but does that mean it exists? Of course not. Take points, lines, and planes for example. They are believed to exist and defined, but that does not mean that they absolutely exist. You can define an element that you imagine, but does that prove it to be a part of reality? Lack of disapproving evidence is not even a hypothesis. It is a subtle observation. I will say this once again for hopefully the last time - we cannot prove God with our finite human mind. It is impossible, as he is omnipotent, omniscient, and infinite.

What a cop-out of people who realise their god is fake.

Love how Christians choose to not respond when I say " they say god is real due to lack of dis-proving evidence, if so, can the same be said for a murderer?" Just shows that Christians are stumbling head over heels about it.

Your argument is backwards, you can't say a murderer is guilty if you do not have evidence, you can't say god is not real if you do not have evidence. No one responded before this because they know your argument is from a disrespectful kid who is just trolling.

Also refute my logical conclusion that there is a god that I have posted twice now, all you did was push the answer backwards without answering the question. I gave logical proof of a god and I am still waiting for someone to refute it.

Which logical conclusion?
Repost it plz.

Personally, if asked, I would say the most likely explanation is that the universe came from "a god". God meaning something that operates outside of the laws of our universe. Here is my logic behind this:

Assuming the universe exists and is not all simply my imagination and I do not exist, there are three possible scenarios: The universe has always existed, the universe created itself, or something outside of the universe created the universe.

The universe cannot have always existed and have no beginning because eternity is a logical impossibility. Also since thermodynamics states that the entropy of the universe is increasing and the universe is tending toward chaos, at some point, a state of pure chaos must be reached and life will be unable to exist. This state will only take a finite amount of time to be reached, but if the universe has exited for an eternity than any finite amount of time has already passed and pure chaos will have been reached an eternity ago. The fact that we exist proves the universe had a beginning.

If the universe created itself than it directly defies its own law that matter cannot be created or destroyed, making the universe operate outside its own laws and therefore classifying the universe as a god because it operated outside of the laws of the universe. The universe operating outside of itself is a contradiction and the laws of thermodynamics must be rejected in order for it to be possible. Note that there are religions that worship the universe itself as a god (pantheism)

If something outside of the laws of the universe existed before the universe and created the universe and all the laws that govern it, we could logically have the state of the universe that we have today while accepting the laws of thermodynamics. This is the most logical explanation which is why I choose to belive that the universe was created by a god.

I have heard the big bang theory used to state that either nothing exploded and created everything (the universe created itself) which is an explanation of the origin of the universe but must be classified as pantheism, or that something exploded and formed everything, in which case the something had to have come from somewhere making this not an explanation of the true origin, but rather an avoidance of the actual question (a logical fallacy).

I described the big bang theory as something or nothing exploded but you said two things collided, its the same difference though, it doesn't give an answer to origins (unless you classify the origins as a god by my definition) it only pushes the answer backwards.

I described the big bang theory as something or nothing exploded but you said two things collided, its the same difference though, it doesn't give an answer to origins (unless you classify the origins as a god by my definition) it only pushes the answer backwards.

I described the big bang theory as something or nothing exploded but you said two things collided, its the same difference though, it doesn't give an answer to origins (unless you classify the origins as a god by my definition) it only pushes the answer backwards.

If nothing can exist forever, how is god eternal? See what im getting at?