Celtic Heroes

I personally believe that God has set up a massive road. We are the cars on that road. God has planned for every possibility, so the road has many Roads leading off. We simply choose which to take.

Ahh, so the plan is like a blueprint for infinite choices? A road of infinite choices. I quite like that analogy.

So what do those various phrases mean then. Ones such as: "It all goes according to God's plan"? Or are you trying to say that God's plan is controversial even in religion. I guess that would make sense seeing as how it is "God's" plan and not "Humanity's" plan.

I personally believe that God has set up a massive road. We are the cars on that road. God has planned for every possibility, so the road has many Roads leading off. We simply choose which to take.

Ahh, so the plan is like a blueprint for infinite choices? A road of infinite choices. I quite like that analogy.

So what do those various phrases mean then. Ones such as: "It all goes according to God's plan"? Or are you trying to say that God's plan is controversial even in religion. I guess that would make sense seeing as how it is "God's" plan and not "Humanity's" plan.

Apparently 2 out of every three cars aren't even on roads remotely connected to that massive one. Some of these other gods just dont seem to be as much into civil engineering projects. Where do all those cars on the wrong roads go? What if you run outta gas in the middle of nowhere? What's the analogy for keeping the roads plowed and free of snow? Are there good roadside eateries? Is it illegal to use gps? Where do I go if I park illegally and get towed?

I personally believe that God has set up a massive road. We are the cars on that road. God has planned for every possibility, so the road has many Roads leading off. We simply choose which to take.

Ahh, so the plan is like a blueprint for infinite choices? A road of infinite choices. I quite like that analogy.

So what do those various phrases mean then. Ones such as: "It all goes according to God's plan"? Or are you trying to say that God's plan is controversial even in religion. I guess that would make sense seeing as how it is "God's" plan and not "Humanity's" plan.

Apparently 2 out of every three cars aren't even on roads remotely connected to that massive one. Some of these other gods just dont seem to be as much into civil engineering projects. Where do all those cars on the wrong roads go? What if you run outta gas in the middle of nowhere? What's the analogy for keeping the roads plowed and free of snow? Are there good roadside eateries? Is it illegal to use gps? Where do I go if I park illegally and get towed?

I think you are taking the analogy a little too far... lol

So... I have aquestion or possibly a series of questions.

To what extent does a god control the universe? There are processes everywhere. Some small and some large. It seems that anything large and hard to understand is attributed to a god but the small things like water is just a normal insignificant cycle.

However, if existence really is just one process outiside of god's control, what is the purpose of god? Is it to make us seem somewhat significant in the universe? Did we, humans, create a god out of fear of being just an insignificant spec in the universe. Just one intelligent species out of thousands of other species that may exist and may even possess greater intelligence.

Am i allowed to tell you what Christians believe? If not then i cnt answer ur last question. God controls everything. Or I should say everything goes according to His plan. We cannot surprise God. We are definately not outside Gods control. And may i ask a question? What us evolution but an excuse not to need God; in other words you could say that evolution was "discovered" in order to make us feel independent. I think that evolution was thought up because Charles Darwin and Co. Did not want to believe in God; not because it made sense. No offense

You may tell me whatever you wish. I have no reason to be offended.

What exactly is God's plan? This enquiry is genuine curiosity with no intention to insult. If fate is set in stone to one big plan, would that not contradict free will. What is the purpose of free will if what was, is, and will be is forever determined?

Your perception for the development of evolution is not entirely correct. Yes, it could be seen as an alternative to pure creation but I do not believe it is. In fact, this thread has already come to a general understanding that evolution is independent of the existence of god.

Charles Darwin did not go out seeking to disprove god. He believed in god before investigating his idea of natural selection and after his visit to the Galápagos Islands he still believed in god. His belief was modified but not destroyed. He sought out an answer to his question, not an alternative to god. Such is the nature of life, to ask a question and then to seek out an answer and as Dersu's quote put it, you do not seek out an answer to remain happy. You seek out an answer to be satisfied in understanding just a tad bit more about life and the nature of the universe.

Ok, I should say first that there are many kinds of christians(ie. Catholics, Protestants, Jahova[spelling?] Witness, etc.). Not all believe the same and many(no offense meant) are not actually following the true word of God. Secondly, we believe that God is eternal(he has always existed and always will). We believe that He created Adam and Eve and then revealed himself to them. That's why Christianity has been around for so long. You ask about free will. Now this is admittedly a hard question to answer. I don't think anyone really knows for sure. I think that Gods plan(forgive the analogy) is like a spider web. Everything is connected whether we see it or not. Your actions may effect anyone(you tell someone it's okay to drink, they get drunk, have a car wreck which kills the president and destroys the country). Yes i know its weird but hey u get my point right? God is sovereign; He has everything under control. It's almost like an ant trying to understand us for us to try and figure out the ways of God. He explains everything in scripture that we need to know. Just one honest question. Cn u tell me where in the bible it says we have free will? Because i would like to look at this. You want to know why Darwin worked god into his model? Because he had friends who he did not want to offend who believed in god.

Ok one of u said that they believed in god and in evolution. If you believe in the god of the bible you cannot believe in evolution. Just had to get that out.

Cn u tell me where in the bible it says we have free will?

I do not know if there is a place... I am going off of what the majority of people have said on this thread. I believe it is more of a general concept which began with Adam and Eve though.

God is sovereign; He has everything under control.

Then why were the mass killing events in history allowed to occur? Also, if this is so, how would this bring happiness? With this kind of thinking, it almost seems like we are just the play things of a mad scientist. Everything under the complete control of one being with unclear motives; your fate is completely set in stone.

Ok one of u said that they believed in god and in evolution. If you believe in the god of the bible you cannot believe in evolution. Just had to get that out.

Why? What is wrong with the belief that a god could simply be the breath of life for the universe and set life in motion? Perhaps guiding us towards enlightenment or a new higher plane of existence?
Edit: Just noticed "of the bible," disregard the above.

Cn u tell me where in the bible it says we have free will?

I do not know if there is a place... I am going off of what the majority of people have said on this thread. I believe it is more of a general concept which began with Adam and Eve though.

God is sovereign; He has everything under control.

Then why were the mass killing events in history allowed to occur? Also, if this is so, how would this bring happiness? With this kind of thinking, it almost seems like we are just the play things of a mad scientist. Everything under the complete control of one being with unclear motives; your fate is completely set in stone.

Ok one of u said that they believed in god and in evolution. If you believe in the god of the bible you cannot believe in evolution. Just had to get that out.

Why? What is wrong with the belief that a god could simply be the breath of life for the universe and set life in motion? Perhaps guiding us towards enlightenment or a new higher plane of existence?

There is nothing wrong with believing that a god started evolution. You just cnt attribute it to the God of the Bible.

Like i said i cnt really explain how free will coincides with Gods will. As for ur other comment, you could think of us as two year olds and God as an adult(except much more powerful). A two year old will not understand what an adult tells them. Neither do we understand what God tells us. I do not know why God allowed these murders to happen. All i know is that all worked out for good those who loved God which is what He promised.

Cn u tell me where in the bible it says we have free will?

I do not know if there is a place... I am going off of what the majority of people have said on this thread. I believe it is more of a general concept which began with Adam and Eve though.

God is sovereign; He has everything under control.

Then why were the mass killing events in history allowed to occur? Also, if this is so, how would this bring happiness? With this kind of thinking, it almost seems like we are just the play things of a mad scientist. Everything under the complete control of one being with unclear motives; your fate is completely set in stone.

Ok one of u said that they believed in god and in evolution. If you believe in the god of the bible you cannot believe in evolution. Just had to get that out.

Why? What is wrong with the belief that a god could simply be the breath of life for the universe and set life in motion? Perhaps guiding us towards enlightenment or a new higher plane of existence?

There is nothing wrong with believing that a god started evolution. You just cnt attribute it to the God of the Bible.

Like i said i cnt really explain how free will coincides with Gods will. As for ur other comment, you could think of us as two year olds and God as an adult(except much more powerful). A two year old will not understand what an adult tells them. Neither do we understand what God tells us. I do not know why God allowed these murders to happen. All i know is that all worked out for good those who loved God which is what He promised.

Ya, sorry. I somehow skipped over "of the bible." :/ I could not edit fast enough. Lol

As for everything else. I guesss that is fine. Foolish in my opinion but completely fine. I suppose we can all reach the conclusion that understanding the nature of the universe is difficult whether you believe in a god or an ordered chaos.

God is sovereign; He has everything under control.

Then why were the mass killing events in history allowed to occur? Also, if this is so, how would this bring happiness? With this kind of thinking, it almost seems like we are just the play things of a mad scientist. Everything under the complete control of one being with unclear motives; your fate is completely set in stone.

The God of the Bible's goal is NOT to make everyone happy, it isn't even to make his followers have happy lives. To him, our short life is just a microscopic blip in eternity, this world is just a test whether or not we love him and choose to spend eternity in his kingdom or choose to live eternity away from him because we reject him. Of course he allows bad things to happen, but every "bad thing" here is only in the finite. That is why trying to analyze God's actions as just or unjust is so ridiculous, we only see in the finite through our own two tiny eyes what looks like it benefits us in this short life. God is not trying to please us in this short life, he is letting us show where we want to spend eternity.

God is sovereign; He has everything under control.

Then why were the mass killing events in history allowed to occur? Also, if this is so, how would this bring happiness? With this kind of thinking, it almost seems like we are just the play things of a mad scientist. Everything under the complete control of one being with unclear motives; your fate is completely set in stone.

The God of the Bible's goal is NOT to make everyone happy, it isn't even to make his followers have happy lives. To him, our short life is just a microscopic blip in eternity, this world is just a test whether or not we love him and choose to spend eternity in his kingdom or choose to live eternity away from him because we reject him. Of course he allows bad things to happen, but every "bad thing" here is only in the finite. That is why trying to analyze God's actions as just or unjust is so ridiculous, we only see in the finite through our own two tiny eyes what looks like it benefits us in this short life. God is not trying to please us in this short life, he is letting us show where we want to spend eternity.

Could you check the wrappers of any empty brain soap containers laying around? I really need some to implement my own money making schemes and that brand must really take those pesky spots of truth right out.

God is sovereign; He has everything under control.

Then why were the mass killing events in history allowed to occur? Also, if this is so, how would this bring happiness? With this kind of thinking, it almost seems like we are just the play things of a mad scientist. Everything under the complete control of one being with unclear motives; your fate is completely set in stone.

The God of the Bible's goal is NOT to make everyone happy, it isn't even to make his followers have happy lives. To him, our short life is just a microscopic blip in eternity, this world is just a test whether or not we love him and choose to spend eternity in his kingdom or choose to live eternity away from him because we reject him. Of course he allows bad things to happen, but every "bad thing" here is only in the finite. That is why trying to analyze God's actions as just or unjust is so ridiculous, we only see in the finite through our own two tiny eyes what looks like it benefits us in this short life. God is not trying to please us in this short life, he is letting us show where we want to spend eternity.

Then what is the need for humans to worship him (it, whatever.)? Why must the complexity of the universe be represented in such a human way? That, in my opinion, does not seem correct.

The universe seems to be just one large process independent of any intelligent management. When I see smaller cycles and processes, I think: why not expand this idea to life? Life is a process. Our environment is a process. We can see that events can occur without any entity interfering.

People have expressed that humanity has free will. Well, what if the universe has complete free will? What proof exists that would show that we (the human race) are special, not unique but special, and that religion is only a way to explain phenomena in a human way?

I am probably writing this out in a much too confusing manner. The above is more my opinion, not something that really be proven correct or incorrect...