Celtic Heroes

This topic is a discussion, so we can go ahead and discuss it.

And yes, it is obvious that we will get you no where even with nearly every poster who is active on this thread disagreeing with you or your methods except one 14 year old, you still refuse to budge. You can try pointing at yourself for once, you are so ready to point at everyone else s problems.

I have no problem accepting facts and truth. Why not try 'pointing' at problems I may have. Good luck because I don't accept factless belief so there is little if any to debunk. Any factless belief I do have is insubstantial to me. I actually welcome it as if I am in fact incorrect I would like to know. Not like my not knowing alters reality. Nor does it matter if no one agrees on some mmorpg forum. You are the one having to live with reality denial.

Since you asked:

Your statement is a lie, you do not only accept "facts", you accept whatever is spoon fed into your brain. It is obvious that, despite your bragging about an engineering major, you are educated beyond your intelligence. I have realized that you do not see a problem with your thinking because you do not want to, it is because you are not capable of understanding.

My main problem, and also the problem the moderators and many other users have pointed out, is not your point of view, you are entitled to that. My problem with you is your approach. You posted on a discussion forum with no intention of actually discussing anything. You only want to insult others and push your views. You claim you don't but everything you have said is proof otherwise. You do not listen to what people say. You do not answer questions, you pick at details and try to make smart comments, then you claim that you are right and you claim that you have presented proof when you have given nothing.
You say you welcome your problems being pointed out but you do not, you won't even regard what I have said for a second, you will come up with some smart alek response and think you are so intelligent and victorious while proving your own ignorance.

And you keep saying reality denial as if you have some concept of reality.

Hilarious. Go for ad hominim when you have no ammo. Classy.

I obviously don't accept 'spoon fed facts' or I'd actually accept the drivel you call information. 95% is complete bs. The rest is just sadly misled and hardly factual.

I have no views to push other than fact based reality. Seriously if you try to dodge that you might as well wander on the freeway with your eyes forced shut. Because I can assure you you live in a impartial reality and reality ain't goin nowhere.

I answer nearly all questions - if you can stomach to read above you can verify this yourself.

Never once have I argued from my authority - simply claiming I'm right 'just cause'. I use the independent work of millions with logical argument to bind the facts - yes cold hard incontrovertible fact - we humans have learned about the world. If you can't handle reality it bodes very poorly for you not me.

Do the world a favor and hang out at a gay bar and explain to them how they are morally wrong and how they chose to be gay which is against gods will. Please please do this.

And atheists are just people who have a lack of belief

No one has a lack of belief though. Atheist are people who believe there is no god. An agnostic is someone who believes that we do not or can not know if there is a god. So agnosticism is closer to a lack of belief, but everyone believes something.

Atheists are also people who believe there is no evidence for a god and while you can't disprove god logically or through empirical testing the probability of it being real Is laughable - too remote to even be called a legitimate probability.

You can't prove the tooth fairy isn't real but I'm assuming everyone here is on the same page about it being bollocks. Same is true for a Christian god as the tooth fairy as Zeus.

As far as Adam and Eve eating the fruit: According to the Bible, yes, they knew it was wrong. They were not a pair of unintelligent babies, they had minds that worked perfectly and they were able to use their mind's full potential. They were many times more brilliant than anyone living on the earth today. Lucifer tempted Eve by telling her she could become a god. She ate the fruit because she wanted to be God. This is the very sin that caused Lucifer to fall. Adam is no less guilty. The Bible very clearly states that Eve gave the fruit to her husband who was with her. Adam was standing right there while Eve was being tempted and he did nothing to stop it. They both knew full well they were disobeying.

Humans trying to justify Adam and Eve's actions is directly related to humans trying to justify their own actions. Humans are extremely adept to deceiving each other, but most of all humans are experts at deceiving themselves.

You completely missed the entire point or are simply being obtuse. Without knowledge of good/evil essentially right/wrong how the hell were they supposed to know. You assume eve knew it was not good to believe the snake before eve knew what is good. Doubly so when you even admit the snake was gods creation as described in 2:19. Please try to address this instead of changing the subject or simply saying you believe they knew better. Show evidence from the fable.

As far as Adam and Eve eating the fruit: According to the Bible, yes, they knew it was wrong. They were not a pair of unintelligent babies, they had minds that worked perfectly and they were able to use their mind's full potential. They were many times more brilliant than anyone living on the earth today. Lucifer tempted Eve by telling her she could become a god. She ate the fruit because she wanted to be God. This is the very sin that caused Lucifer to fall. Adam is no less guilty. The Bible very clearly states that Eve gave the fruit to her husband who was with her. Adam was standing right there while Eve was being tempted and he did nothing to stop it. They both knew full well they were disobeying.

Humans trying to justify Adam and Eve's actions is directly related to humans trying to justify their own actions. Humans are extremely adept to deceiving each other, but most of all humans are experts at deceiving themselves.

You completely missed the entire point or are simply being obtuse. Without knowledge of good/evil essentially right/wrong how the hell were they supposed to know. You assume eve knew it was not good to believe the snake before eve knew what is good. Doubly so when you even admit the snake was gods creation. Please try to address this instead of changing the subject or simply saying you believe they knew better. Show evidence from the fable.

Again,trying to twist facts to justify actions.
Whether she knew it was good or evil does not matter, she knew that she should not have eaten it. This is proven by the fact that they felt guilty and hid from God after they ate the fruit. If she did not know that she should not eat it she would have eaten it without the serpents prompting and she would not have argued with the serpent before taking it.

I have no problem accepting facts and truth. Why not try 'pointing' at problems I may have. Good luck because I don't accept factless belief so there is little if any to debunk. Any factless belief I do have is insubstantial to me. I actually welcome it as if I am in fact incorrect I would like to know. Not like my not knowing alters reality. Nor does it matter if no one agrees on some mmorpg forum. You are the one having to live with reality denial.

Since you asked:

Your statement is a lie, you do not only accept "facts", you accept whatever is spoon fed into your brain. It is obvious that, despite your bragging about an engineering major, you are educated beyond your intelligence. I have realized that you do not see a problem with your thinking because you do not want to, it is because you are not capable of understanding.

My main problem, and also the problem the moderators and many other users have pointed out, is not your point of view, you are entitled to that. My problem with you is your approach. You posted on a discussion forum with no intention of actually discussing anything. You only want to insult others and push your views. You claim you don't but everything you have said is proof otherwise. You do not listen to what people say. You do not answer questions, you pick at details and try to make smart comments, then you claim that you are right and you claim that you have presented proof when you have given nothing.
You say you welcome your problems being pointed out but you do not, you won't even regard what I have said for a second, you will come up with some smart alek response and think you are so intelligent and victorious while proving your own ignorance.

And you keep saying reality denial as if you have some concept of reality.

Hilarious. Go for ad hominim when you have no ammo. Classy.

I obviously don't accept 'spoon fed facts' or I'd actually accept the drivel you call information. 95% is complete bs. The rest is just sadly misled and hardly factual.

I have no views to push other than fact based reality. Seriously if you try to dodge that you might as well wander on the freeway with your eyes forced shut. Because I can assure you you live in a impartial reality and reality ain't goin nowhere.

I answer nearly all questions - if you can stomach to read above you can verify this yourself.

Never once have I argued from my authority - simply claiming I'm right 'just cause'. I use the independent work of millions with logical argument to bind the facts - yes cold hard incontrovertible fact - we humans have learned about the world. If you can't handle reality it bodes very poorly for you not me.

Do the world a favor and hang out at a gay bar and explain to them how they are morally wrong and how they chose to be gay which is against gods will. Please please do this.

I rest my case. There is no point in pursuing this argument further.

I have no intention of going around telling people about the morals of the Bible unless I am asked about it by them.

As far as Adam and Eve eating the fruit: According to the Bible, yes, they knew it was wrong. They were not a pair of unintelligent babies, they had minds that worked perfectly and they were able to use their mind's full potential. They were many times more brilliant than anyone living on the earth today. Lucifer tempted Eve by telling her she could become a god. She ate the fruit because she wanted to be God. This is the very sin that caused Lucifer to fall. Adam is no less guilty. The Bible very clearly states that Eve gave the fruit to her husband who was with her. Adam was standing right there while Eve was being tempted and he did nothing to stop it. They both knew full well they were disobeying.

Humans trying to justify Adam and Eve's actions is directly related to humans trying to justify their own actions. Humans are extremely adept to deceiving each other, but most of all humans are experts at deceiving themselves.

You completely missed the entire point or are simply being obtuse. Without knowledge of good/evil essentially right/wrong how the hell were they supposed to know. You assume eve knew it was not good to believe the snake before eve knew what is good. Doubly so when you even admit the snake was gods creation. Please try to address this instead of changing the subject or simply saying you believe they knew better. Show evidence from the fable.

Again,trying to twist facts to justify actions.
Whether she knew it was good or evil does not matter, she knew that she should not have eaten it. This is proven by the fact that they felt guilty and hid from God after they ate the fruit. If she did not know that she should not eat it she would have eaten it without the serpents prompting and she would not have argued with the serpent before taking it.

What is proven is that they knew it was wrong AFTER eating the fruit and gaining knowledge of right and wrong. Before they were in a child like state of ignorance. The serpent is gods creation see also 3:1 I read at least three references to the snake being gods work and none refering to it as Satan. God even meted out perhaps the most severe punishment to the serpent (though how it was a serpent before god made it crawl on its belly and eat dust forever is never explained). And how did god not know they had done it and came asking instead of being all omniscient. Waltzing in and feigning ignorance is being obtuse and not godlike. Seriously logic holes all over.

So you dismiss the logic fail of the entire story by saying it didn't matter? Just making that clear.

Hilarious. Go for ad hominim when you have no ammo. Classy.

I obviously don't accept 'spoon fed facts' or I'd actually accept the drivel you call information. 95% is complete bs. The rest is just sadly misled and hardly factual.

I have no views to push other than fact based reality. Seriously if you try to dodge that you might as well wander on the freeway with your eyes forced shut. Because I can assure you you live in a impartial reality and reality ain't goin nowhere.

I answer nearly all questions - if you can stomach to read above you can verify this yourself.

Never once have I argued from my authority - simply claiming I'm right 'just cause'. I use the independent work of millions with logical argument to bind the facts - yes cold hard incontrovertible fact - we humans have learned about the world. If you can't handle reality it bodes very poorly for you not me.

Do the world a favor and hang out at a gay bar and explain to them how they are morally wrong and how they chose to be gay which is against gods will. Please please do this.

I rest my case. There is no point in pursuing this argument further.

I have no intention of going around telling people about the morals of the Bible unless I am asked about it by them.

Told you you wouldn't like the outcome but you did ask.

What is proven is that they knew it was wrong AFTER eating the fruit and gaining knowledge of right and wrong. Before they were in a child like state of ignorance. The serpent is gods creation see also 3:1 I read at least three references to the snake being gods work and none refering to it as Satan. God even meted out perhaps the most severe punishment to the serpent (though how it was a serpent before god made it crawl on its belly and eat dust forever is never explained). And how did god not know they had done it and came asking instead of being all omniscient. Waltzing in and feigning ignorance is being obtuse and not godlike. Seriously logic holes all over.

So you dismiss the logic fail of the entire story by saying it didn't matter? Just making that clear.

Now you are the one being obtuse. It has already been explained: God very clearly told them not to eat the fruit. It wasn't implied, it was not a request. He told them: "do not eat the fruit, if you eat it you will die". Eve even repeated this to the serpent. They knew full well they were not supposed to eat the fruit stop making stupid arguments.
God created serpents according to the Bible, yes. Whether the serpent that tempted Eve was the Devil incarnate, a tool used by the Devil or just a real jerkish snake is not said directly, but that it had something to do with Satan is heavily implied many times in the scripture. It is also irrelevant to the fact that Adam and Eve knew they were not supposed to eat the fruit before they ate it and they were aware of the consequences.
Of course God would have known what they had done but he let them say it. Remember that he was the one who asked them if they had eaten the fruit.

What is proven is that they knew it was wrong AFTER eating the fruit and gaining knowledge of right and wrong. Before they were in a child like state of ignorance. The serpent is gods creation see also 3:1 I read at least three references to the snake being gods work and none refering to it as Satan. God even meted out perhaps the most severe punishment to the serpent (though how it was a serpent before god made it crawl on its belly and eat dust forever is never explained). And how did god not know they had done it and came asking instead of being all omniscient. Waltzing in and feigning ignorance is being obtuse and not godlike. Seriously logic holes all over.

So you dismiss the logic fail of the entire story by saying it didn't matter? Just making that clear.

Now you are the one being obtuse. It has already been explained: God very clearly told them not to eat the fruit. It wasn't implied, it was not a request. He told them: "do not eat the fruit, if you eat it you will die". Eve even repeated this to the serpent. They knew full well they were not supposed to eat the fruit stop making stupid arguments.
God created serpents according to the Bible, yes. Whether the serpent that tempted Eve was the Devil incarnate, a tool used by the Devil or just a real jerkish snake is not said directly, but that it had something to do with Satan is heavily implied many times in the scripture. It is also irrelevant to the fact that Adam and Eve knew they were not supposed to eat the fruit before they ate it and they were aware of the consequences.
Of course God would have known what they had done but he let them say it. Remember that he was the one who asked them if they had eaten the fruit.

Obviously you see the complete logic fail of the whole basic premise too it and it infuriates you so.

Look closely at 3:1 "now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the lord god had made". Additionally it sates god made all the animals in 2:19. So as far as the snake is concerned the fable is quite succinct in it being a jerkish snake god directly made.

More to the point in 3:21 god even says "the man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil". So NO they did not know full well as they had no idea of what is good or bad. Like a child not knowing something is right or wrong. In fact what you said about them being turned into gods is not factually correct for in 3:4 "for god knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be LIKE god, knowing good and evil". So in fact all it was is gaining knowledge. I can easily fool toddlers into disobeying rules they know they should follow because they cannot judge right from wrong very well and they tend to listen to others for guidance and fail to understand the concequences.

You claim that Adam and eve were geniuses beyond that of mortals - yet why would they do something so stupid? Oh yea! No idea of right and wrong lol.

So basically your god punishes those that chose to gain wisdom through knowledge. NOW THAT explains a lot!!! Keep being religious it makes you so easy to control.

Btw try actually quoting with the specific locations of the quotes. It dosent even look like you are seriously trying to debate.

Just putting this out there as another reason why I am not fond of religion.

"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the Church ruled. This time was called the dark ages."
- Richard Lederer

That is not to say everything can be blamed on religion but a great deal still can.