Celtic Heroes

Now, my main argument, how does the bible change? Humanity changes, everyone on this thread has agreed to that, but scripture does not. There will come a time where you can not interpret one unchanging phrase to fit the fact of an ever changing world.

I'm sorry, I might have missed something, when did everyone agree to that? Because when I suggested it I don't recall anyone, "agreeing to that."

All those qualities of humanity were present during the times of the bible. Before it was written, while it was being written, and after it was written.

*Newsflash* I'm 39 years old and AM one of those past teenagers lmao! I can tell you nothing but the music, clothes, and who is popular has changed. Have kids of my own and it is the same timeless story. Nothing substantial is different.

Teenagers havent changed, I can tell you as a parent, the only thing that has changed is the teens the media and the press focuses on, back in our times the druggies and whatnot were overlooked, now they are praised. If you look drug statistics of their use in teens have actually came down from 10.7 percent to 9.2 percent.

What's going on here is confusing the zeitgeist of our time with the morality that statistically humans are born with and is bred into our human race.

Yes the technology and zeitgeist slowly evolves but the base morality changes little of at all. Humans are not the only animals to exhibit empathy or even base morality. There are many experiments that have shown animals capable as well and likely for the same evolutionary advantages.

U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done

U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done

I'm sure you will argue that we are a Christian nation instead of it being founded as a secular nation by the largely non religious. But that can be a seperate fun argument.

Even if the bible has good lessons in it (which with heavy cherry picking you can indeed find) does not mean its true. Just because it makes you feel less afraid of reality does not make it true. Not knowing what is real is extremely dangerous - look what catholic missionaries did in africa preaching the evils of condoms for example. Or the Christian cults that deny vaccienes. Or the people that think god will take care of things like thier medical conditions instead of seeking proper treatment.

Religion is a disease of the brain. Some here are obviously seriously infected and you fail to inoculate yourself with facts and reason.

I can only hope you are able to perceive the suffer endless suffering you cause and have aided before you finally leave this world.

Well i guess we'll see who is right in the end. All i know is, Pascal's wager or not, i would rather be in my shoes than in urs

Well i guess we'll see who is right in the end. All i know is, Pascal's wager or not, i would rather be in my shoes than in urs

Actually if science and atheism are correct then we will never know in the end - unless by end you mean the last few minutes of your life.

Ive not existed for billions of years before i was born and it didn't bother me at all. Perhaps if you actually had value for the here and now instead of fairy tale promises after death everyone would be better off.

U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done

I'm sure you will argue that we are a Christian nation instead of it being founded as a secular nation by the largely non religious. But that can be a seperate fun argument.

Even if the bible has good lessons in it (which with heavy cherry picking you can indeed find) does not mean its true. Just because it makes you feel less afraid of reality does not make it true. Not knowing what is real is extremely dangerous - look what catholic missionaries did in africa preaching the evils of condoms for example. Or the Christian cults that deny vaccienes. Or the people that think god will take care of things like thier medical conditions instead of seeking proper treatment.

Religion is a disease of the brain. Some here are obviously seriously infected and you fail to inoculate yourself with facts and reason.

I can only hope you are able to perceive the suffer endless suffering you cause and have aided before you finally leave this world.

No it's stupid clueless people like you that ruin the world. You don't even know what you're saying. I did read your comment which you copied and pasted since you had already used that bogus misguided arguement. You ignored every word in there because you did not even bother to comment on every other scientific supported biblical text.


They officially did declare themselves Athiest so do some research bud. You don't even bother to look this stuff up. Must be nice believing that you will die, then never have the chance to see your loved ones again

Let's get one thing straight, I don't have a "pastor" "pope" "clergy" or any of that, I'm not one of the mindless misguided people who believe in heaven and hell, and believe anything their leaders tell them, I read the bible and believe what it says, not what some old gold digging religious leader tells me to believe.

Just to lighten it up a bit, I'll quote what my friend told me way back because when I think of this whole religious stuff, I think of the quote.

"laughter is contagious... like small pox or gay"

In a way, we have done studies to show old sayings are true, like yawning can be "contagious" (myth busters!), and how others are false, being gay is genetic jonny! and even in my first catholic retreat there was a guy who was gay and spent a good 2-3 years of his life feeling sorry for himself because he thought it was wrong to have liked getting touched by another man (religion problems much?).

So argue that there's some "truth" behind the bible, but you can't argue that evolution is a myth like genesis is bs, we have done many studies that show how primitive life could have came to be, how the origins of the universe started out (space is expanding still, god didnt mention he blew the hell out of a star to create the universe did he?) and how we share 50% of our genetic material with wheat, don't know how that proves GOD decided to recycle 50% of our DNA to make a plant.

And please, don't try to defend Genesis, there's so many things wrong with that book it puts the bible to shame.

U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done

I didn't know we stopped teaching our kids to not murder people, and how stealing is wrong, and how they shouldn't be respecting their parents...

And nothing about the Great Depression involves God, war got us out of the Great Depression. If you want to argue that God approves of mass murdering of people that don't follow his word 100% then that just shows how much of bigots you are.

Now, my main argument, how does the bible change? Humanity changes, everyone on this thread has agreed to that, but scripture does not. There will come a time where you can not interpret one unchanging phrase to fit the fact of an ever changing world.

I'm sorry, I might have missed something, when did everyone agree to that? Because when I suggested it I don't recall anyone, "agreeing to that."

All those qualities of humanity were present during the times of the bible. Before it was written, while it was being written, and after it was written.

*Newsflash* I'm 39 years old and AM one of those past teenagers lmao! I can tell you nothing but the music, clothes, and who is popular has changed. Have kids of my own and it is the same timeless story. Nothing substantial is different.

Teenagers havent changed, I can tell you as a parent, the only thing that has changed is the teens the media and the press focuses on, back in our times the druggies and whatnot were overlooked, now they are praised. If you look drug statistics of their use in teens have actually came down from 10.7 percent to 9.2 percent.

They were talking about your specific example of teenagers. Also keep in mind, when I say humanity, I am not just referring to morals but also culture, knowledge, technology, wisdom, etc. We have obviously changed in those areas...

You may also notice that the people you quoted have clarified their points for you. These quotes, and the quotes you found earlier from "scientists," were taken out of context. That is called quote mining. Stop quote mining.

U say that Christianity makes things worse. Well look at the difference in our country now and back in the day. Children, were taught to respect their parents. They were taught that the whole world does not revolve around them. But when scientists tried(emphasis on tried) to discredit the bible and create an alternative people started thinking, hey maybe the bible isn't true, why reach my kids what it says. Does nobody see the connection? As people started believing evolution our country started to fall. When our leaders and the majority of our people believed in God we thrived. We got through the great depression(which was brought about because people were greedy). We used to be respected. We still are but not in the same way. We have fallen away from the principles which made us strong. Read the news. Look around. And then you will see what not following God has done

I didn't know we stopped teaching our kids to not murder people, and how stealing is wrong, and how they shouldn't be respecting their parents...

And nothing about the Great Depression involves God, war got us out of the Great Depression. If you want to argue that God approves of mass murdering of people that don't follow his word 100% then that just shows how much of bigots you are.

Stocks were going way up and people were investing in them too much hoping to get rich quick. The companies couldn't deliver and the banks lost money.

What i was trying to say was that many parents basically give their kids everything they want. The kids then grow up thinking that they can get anything they want(mostly; some turn out fine). Then they steal or murder and basically become lazy good for nothin's that sit around griping because they didnt get their way.