Celtic Heroes

Again you can't read anything man. I explained that. Read further up. Unless your missing over 25% of the time which is absurd! my dmg ring will do better including the extra effect it as on the skills for rogues.

And there we have it folks, this guy is level 100. You miss way, way, WAY more than 25% of the time. On bosses anyways and that's where long term damage actually counts, otherwise you cast a couple skills and gf that mob.

Again you can't read anything man. I explained that. Read further up. Unless your missing over 25% of the time which is absurd! my dmg ring will do better including the extra effect it as on the skills for rogues.

And there we have it folks, OP is level 100. You miss way, way, WAY more than 25% of the time. On bosses anyways and that's where long term damage actually counts, otherwise you cast a couple skills and gf that mob.

I am way over lvl 100 if you are referring to me. I corrected that post to 75%. Also my numbers are actually off. Not for your side however. Back to the intelligent convo we were having with facts.

Dl wep speed 1850 with haste is 720 and in one minute 83 hits. We can assume a dmg ring of 60 very common imo now actually too common but anyways.
83 hits x 60= 4980
4980 / 60 = 83 dps and you wish to land 30% of your hits ok. 83 x .3 = 24.9 in just the auto part.
Now to skills
Sneaky with 4 casts in one minute 4x60 = 240
Double attack 5 casts in one minute. But its double attack so we need to do it twice so its 10 x 60= 600

This added up is 840 / 60= 14 dmg a second of in resisted dps.

Now let's add both together.
24.9 + 14 = 38.3 dps

Now for sneaky with a +5 skill ring at.. I'll give u 500 dmg.
4 casts for sneaky 4 x 500 = 2000
2000 / 60 = 33.3

Now that i included you only hitting 30% of your autos are you satisfied? If you land less than 30% than this game sucks. On necro i easily land 60%, mordris is harder to tell. Dmg ring > skill ring

Again you can't read anything man. I explained that. Read further up. Unless your missing over 25% of the time which is absurd! my dmg ring will do better including the extra effect it as on the skills for rogues.

And there we have it folks, OP is level 100. You miss way, way, WAY more than 25% of the time. On bosses anyways and that's where long term damage actually counts, otherwise you cast a couple skills and gf that mob.

I am way over lvl 100 if you are referring to me. I corrected that post to 75%. Also my numbers are actually off. Not for your side however. Back to the intelligent convo we were having with facts.

Dl wep speed 1850 with haste is 720 and in one minute 83 hits. We can assume a dmg ring of 60 very common imo now actually too common but anyways.
83 hits x 60= 4980
4980 / 60 = 83 dps and you wish to land 30% of your hits ok. 83 x .3 = 24.9 in just the auto part.
Now to skills
Sneaky with 4 casts in one minute 4x60 = 240
Double attack 5 casts in one minute. But its double attack so we need to do it twice so its 10 x 60= 600

This added up is 840 / 60= 14 dmg a second of in resisted dps.

Now let's add both together.
24.9 + 14 = 38.3 dps

Now for sneaky with a +5 skill ring at.. I'll give u 500 dmg.
4 casts for sneaky 4 x 500 = 2000
2000 / 60 = 33.3

Now that i included you only hitting 30% of your autos are you satisfied? If you land less than 30% than this game sucks. On necro i easily land 60%, mordris is harder to tell. Dmg ring > skill ring

25% to 75%? That's a big mistake, definitely not a typo. You're backing your opinion with false claims for the sake of argument. How do you tell you hit 60% of the time on necro? You'd die within a couple seconds going solo and with more people there it's impossible to tell which hit is yours.

Soul you are 100% wrong about qs and shadow
You are the only rogue here who thinks they interrupt auto and honestly i feel bad for anyone who listens to the bunk you claim is fact when you do not factor the random elements of the game in

Skill rogues ALWAYS beat melee rogues

Want to know who gets every mordy kill in my clan? Whichever rogue casts rondel first. Its a guarantee unless the group wipes on inferno and then tank gets kill.

Wow, it's all I can say. You must of missed everything. And shall I repeat a 50 dmg ring will outdps a +5 skill ring. That is my point of this. Clearly no one can read this.

And seriously dude 80 dmg is 80 dmg. Your seriously arguing about doing half your listed dmg? No news flash. But it's simple the reason I say 80. If your not taking account for the reduction on everything then you don't need to. Meaning +5 on a skill is generally around 500 dmg on the skill stat page. Obviously it won't be 500 realistically but since I'm using listed dmg it's ok. I've already proven the math you can argue what you want but you like everyone else has given no facts other than "bs my dmg is the best."

Look at the video, it's not there. Why would I lie?

Lmao; shadowstrike is POISON DAMAGE!!!! I have hit almost my full listed skill damage numerous times because mobs dont resist it!!! Wow man i thought all this info was old news now! Agree with Pig i hate the fact that some new rogues will mistakenly take your advice...... Why do you think a lot of clans have rogues go with a lot of dex and shadow rings for FFA bosses?!

Wow...... just, wow

Apologies to VultureFromDanu..... Totally didnt mean to have your thread hijacked.

Imo- depends your build and what you want to be better at. If your dex and skills are already near tops then yes go with armor/dmg brace. If you are kind of in the middle the boost to dex skills from that brace definitely outweighs 80 elemental damage

Soul you are 100% wrong about qs and shadow
You are the only rogue here who thinks they interrupt auto and honestly i feel bad for anyone who listens to the bunk you claim is fact when you do not factor the random elements of the game in

Skill rogues ALWAYS beat melee rogues

Want to know who gets every mordy kill in my clan? Whichever rogue casts rondel first. Its a guarantee unless the group wipes on inferno and then tank gets kill.

I guess you still dont grasp a single thing. Its easy look at my video the double number is not there and neither is a single tell me where it went... Simple as that. You've still yet to explain a single thing besides the same useless thing.

You've not gotten a single mord kill last i knew mortal has gotten most last i knew. Second, rondel is a completely different subject. Prove my numbers wrong. You've factored in a huge string of things by bringing a entire character and everyone of them is a completely different build with a different pieces of gear. Prove to me a dmg ring does less dmg than a skill ring.

Wow, it's all I can say. You must of missed everything. And shall I repeat a 50 dmg ring will outdps a +5 skill ring. That is my point of this. Clearly no one can read this.

And seriously dude 80 dmg is 80 dmg. Your seriously arguing about doing half your listed dmg? No news flash. But it's simple the reason I say 80. If your not taking account for the reduction on everything then you don't need to. Meaning +5 on a skill is generally around 500 dmg on the skill stat page. Obviously it won't be 500 realistically but since I'm using listed dmg it's ok. I've already proven the math you can argue what you want but you like everyone else has given no facts other than "bs my dmg is the best."

Look at the video, it's not there. Why would I lie?

Lmao; shadowstrike is POISON DAMAGE!!!! I have hit almost my full listed skill damage numerous times because mobs dont resist it!!! Wow man i thought all this info was old news now! Agree with Pig i hate the fact that some new rogues will mistakenly take your advice...... Why do you think a lot of clans have rogues go with a lot of dex and shadow rings for FFA bosses?!

Wow...... just, wow

Not a new rogue lol but your even more lost if you think shadow is a great skill on mord. Keep playing.

We are talking about a single ring slot. And one ring being put into it. What the best dmg ring will be either. It seems some have been lost some where. Give me a fact where your skill ring would be better than my dmg ring.

K this post got me interested in this topic so I'm just going to post some numbers on the subject.

First the default numbers for our auto and skill damage for the skill ill use shadow strike.
Auto starting at 1550
Shadow strike 1800

with rings
Auto 1600 ( a 50 damage ring)
Shadow strike 2600 (royal ss)

Obviously these numbers will change depending on str and dex so instead of picking at the auto damage or shadow strike damage just accept them.

For this example we will be using a dragonlord dagger on a heroic haste.

Dragonlord dagger has a speed of 1850 and a heroic haste elixer increases speed by 60% so there for in 60 seconds we hit 81.0810811 (on haste speed is .74 so 60/.74).

Assume we hit 100% of the time for the next part.
With 1550 auto and 2600 ss ( we calculate the damage in the given 60 seconds and shadow does not interrupt ur auto so it still adds to the total in both cases) in 60 seconds we will deal 141,275.676. This is calculated by 1550 x 81.0810811 + 2600 x 6 ( SS has a recharge speed of 10 seconds so u get 6 casts during the 60 seconds).

With 1600 auto and 1800 ss we get 140,529.73 again its calculated by 1600 x 81.0810811 + 1800 x 6.

If we assume we hit 100% of the time which is false but we are assuming the royal ss ring beats the 50 damage ring giving just over 700 extra damage for the skill ring during the 60 seconds. As the fight goes on this increases in a 10 minute fight thats an extra 7000 in 20 mins 14000.

For a realistic fight we will assume we hit 50% of the time which is the next part.
The numbers will remain the same but ill list them again.
1550 auto default
1600 with ring

1800 Ss (Shadow strike)
2600 SS with ring.

With 1550 auto and 2600 ss we get 78,437.8378.
with 1600 auto and 1800 ss we get 75,664.8649.
so the difference in this case is 2772.9729 in favor of the skill ring again and again it increases per minute for the fight.

wrote this late at night so if there is an error pls correct it and i apologize in advance for it but to me it seems in the case of a royal shadow strike and a 50 damage ring the royal wins every time.

Soul you asked for hard numbers and i posted them, you asked to show you a case where any royal ring will beat out any of ur damage rings so in the case above it seems to me i pointed that out. As i stated in the beginning this will all come down to your build if you have no dex your shadow strike will do little damage which would change this. Considering the fact that auto misses so much and skills are generally a better source of damage most high lvl rogues find skills to give better long term dps. We also have to factor in the fact your auto will be heavily resisted while shadow strike the #1 skill for rogue dps is not resisted with the exception of necro these factors all change the data but more in favor for skill damage over auto.

Im not sure what testing you have done soul but many high lvl rogues have done excessive amounts of testing on this and for the most part i have seen most go towards skill damage over auto.