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Re: Which Brace to Use? ( High Level Rogues )

#61
Everything i posted is true and has been backed up and yet to be disproved. Claiming defense of a mob is a weak argument. Rangers are complete auto and still get kills.. Explain that to me.. Just double shot is giving you a kill.. Please. Skills being so great? Sure why hasn't any mage gotten any kills? Ss has been the only exception to this rule which as mentioned is completely OP. But i still beleive it would be crap as i land 1/6 of them on bosses so even its unresisted dmg is brought down after evades. And for you, rogue was my first class actually.

Re: Which Brace to Use? ( High Level Rogues )

#62
Everything i posted is true and has been backed up and yet to be disproved. Claiming defense of a mob is a weak argument. Rangers are complete auto and still get kills.. Explain that to me.. Just double shot is giving you a kill.. Please. Skills being so great? Sure why hasn't any mage gotten any kills? Ss has been the only exception to this rule which as mentioned is completely OP. But i still beleive it would be crap as i land 1/6 of them on bosses so even its unresisted dmg is brought down after evades. And for you, rogue was my first class actually.

I cant remember the last time a ranger got a hru or mord kill...
Mages do occasionally
pigman, with the fury of the pigs and the mind of a man
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Re: Which Brace to Use? ( High Level Rogues )

#64
Dont forget your Elim and for some reason i get conflicting answers between your clan and you, only 1 mage ever got a kill on mord and thats bcuz there was never a rogue on for it. A ranger has had a few kills if smelly isn't on on our side.
Eli hasnt had a kill since we have had rondels. He and dange got kills when they were the only ones with offhands. And no, abomination has got a mord kill. And mages often get the hru kills


Again it is irrelevant. As has been said you are speaking out of context about something you simply don't know about, to a group of people who do
pigman, with the fury of the pigs and the mind of a man
level 210+ rogue
Morrigan
Avalon
put your pants on, we're going out

Re: Which Brace to Use? ( High Level Rogues )

#65
So let me understand. You claim skills are the best dmg. A mage has the highest and best skill dmg in game. However they do not get every kill? Seems flawed. You seem to know less than anyone bcuz everytime you put forth an argument i have a better reason why it isn't true. I claim and give video proof of qs interrupting my auto and as always you claim you can't recreate which is irrelevant. I did it and the number isnt why try and lie and say it doesn't exist when i just did it. Go take my video and post it on the beta forums or use your forum moderator power and find out why it does it. Do something useful im helping you correct something they claimed to you was fixed.
Mages complain about evades and melee complain about defense. Their both high period. Ill take my chances with something that comes around 83 times plus adds to my skills that actually is unavoidable as opposed to something thats casted 5 times. The entire point of this is actually stupid. I got an actual 4 or 5 dps which in turn is 240 dmg a minute. When everyone knows we do like 10-15% of the real stated dmg on our stats on mord. This means were talking 20 dmg in a minute. All it takes is a few lucky/unlucky evades and the other rogue could gain a kill. Bcuz all i have to do is land 1 hit more than the other rogue and i made up for that dmg. The difference is so minute in the big picture it doesn't matter. Your logic is flawed and you still yet to prove anything besides useless statements about rondels that make no difference here. Idc how you build your rogue your not on my server or clan. This was to have an actual discussion about what would give more dmg and so far yiley was the only one to give a real thought out answer.

Re: Which Brace to Use? ( High Level Rogues )

#66
Again you can't read anything man. I explained that. Read further up. Unless your missing over 25% of the time which is absurd! my dmg ring will do better including the extra effect it as on the skills for rogues.
And there we have it folks, OP is level 100. You miss way, way, WAY more than 25% of the time. On bosses anyways and that's where long term damage actually counts, otherwise you cast a couple skills and gf that mob.
I am way over lvl 100 if you are referring to me. I corrected that post to 75%. Also my numbers are actually off. Not for your side however. Back to the intelligent convo we were having with facts.

Dl wep speed 1850 with haste is 720 and in one minute 83 hits. We can assume a dmg ring of 60 very common imo now actually too common but anyways.
83 hits x 60= 4980
4980 / 60 = 83 dps and you wish to land 30% of your hits ok. 83 x .3 = 24.9 in just the auto part.
Now to skills
Sneaky with 4 casts in one minute 4x60 = 240
Double attack 5 casts in one minute. But its double attack so we need to do it twice so its 10 x 60= 600

This added up is 840 / 60= 14 dmg a second of in resisted dps.

Now let's add both together.
24.9 + 14 = 38.3 dps

Now for sneaky with a +5 skill ring at.. I'll give u 500 dmg.
4 casts for sneaky 4 x 500 = 2000
2000 / 60 = 33.3

Now that i included you only hitting 30% of your autos are you satisfied? If you land less than 30% than this game sucks. On necro i easily land 60%, mordris is harder to tell. Dmg ring > skill ring
Sorry but a lot of this is just wrong. First of all, your speed while on heroic haste is 740. The theoretical dps of that ring will be 60/.74, which equals 81.1 dps. Assuming you hit 30%, it turns into 24.3 dps.

Sneaky does not cast 4 times a minute. It cast once every 45 seconds. So 60/45=1.3 dps

Double attack is every 15 seconds and also doubles your dmg. 120/15=8 dps.

You did not include resist into your calculations. I find that on DL bosses most dmg types are reduced by a factor of 4-6, depending on what lures you have available. So in the best scenario, 33.6 dps/3 equals just 11.2.

There are various rings that would beat the 60dmg ring, but i'll start with a royal shadow since it wins the easiest.
When I equip a royal ss it increases my shadow by 450.
To find that dps, 450/12=37.5 dps. Since shadow is poison, it will not be resisted, it can only be evaded. On DL bosses, i dont find that shadow evades that much at all and for it to be worse than a 60 dmg ring it would have to miss 75% of the time, which isn't the case. With expose up, the difference becomes even greater. I hope this clears some things up.

I don't know how often ss lands on mordris or how often auto misses, but i assume the defensive stats given to mord are some what proportionate to what the Dl bosses have (just way higher) so even with all the evades Id bet a lot that shadow comes on top.

Re: Which Brace to Use? ( High Level Rogues )

#69
To the OP, I'd go with the aggy brace. The 75 stat points make a big difference. The only hung braces worth anything for dps are the hp/dmg, hp/attack, or dmg/attack.
Yep I'd only use a damage/attack brace over one of my aggy ones. Here it seems pointless to use the hrungnir over the aggy one, you get 75 dex which increases ss damage by a nice amount and +5 to a great unavoidable skill.

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Re: Which Brace to Use? ( High Level Rogues )

#70
I'm not quite sure on your math. You are right it is .740 speed. However u never did the math for the ring. 24 hits x 60 = 1440. I'll go with 15 for double that's still 4 casts at 480 dmg and we can 1.5 on sneaky giving us 90. Totaling 2100 dmg.

450 for shadow the most op skill in game and I've already discussed how it was the only exception to my rule but you clearly did not read that did you.
450 with with 5 casts is 2250. Even the most overpowered skill in the game is close to it and once factored in how it is evaded bcuz idk how you don't see it it's evaded much more than my qs easily on dl but none the less ss barely comes ahead. Bbt every other type of skill ring would fall behind. Work the numbers on qs or sneaky like I said and see who's right. Not shadow.

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