Celtic Heroes

My rouge is higher level than my mage and i think mages should be best dps!

Yes, some people say that energy shield is helpful for mages. However, I don't fully agree with this, because the damage done on the mana if the shield were max, does the same amount of damage to health if you don't use shield. Also comparing the points you get from health vs. the points from mana, you get 3 more points towards health than you would with mana. Along with that, if you aren't a lvl 95, you can't have the shield at max lvl along with shards, bolt, both lures, cloak, and bandage wounds. Although from a rumor I've heard that I can't confirm, if mages have more points on focus, then they'll do more damage with skill hits.

Xetah got it in 1. I see mages tanking Chillmist.. Not to mention the amount of damage mages do on all wisps which everyone so kindly forgot to mention. (3 of the Sv bosses being wisps). And okay, Rogues have a little better armour than mages.. But not THAT much better, and an effective rogue has to have low Health, otherwise you are affecting its role in the game by taking points from strength.

Now I don't think most people are getting where I'm coming from..

Mages - Support Class

Rogues - Solo (DPS) class

And I can't remember who said it but to even think that a Rogues Poison Weapon measures up to that of a Mages Cloak of Fire, you are incredibly mistaken.

Also, Mages are getting a new 'nuke' sort of spell, haven't fully read in to it but yes they are getting upgraded.

As for whoever is trying to get the class changed by saying 'I'm not buying plats until mages are upgraded'.. That is a pathetic and Imature comment.

And I completely agree with SirBlaze, Mages should take the #2 spot.

But to everyone saying that mages should be better DPS.. Answer me this.. If Mages were to be given better DPS than rogues.. What would be the point in rogues??? It would kill off that class.

- Anyone with an answer to that question please post

Guys, we are missing the mark here. Mages, Rogue, and rangers arent supposed to be unequal. They need to be equal. none of them should be better than the other. That would make all classes relevant. Mages and rangers are not primarily support. Both have some support spells but are primarily dps, and considering the only two mage support spells, energy well and energy boost, are both broken, they should not be classified as support.

And I completely agree with SirBlaze, Mages should take the #2 spot.

But to everyone saying that mages should be better DPS.. Answer me this.. If Mages were to be given better DPS than rogues.. What would be the point in rogues??? It would kill off that class.

hey, thanks for the support
I totally agree with your rhetorical question; rogues are supposed to be pure dps

IMHO they shouldn't all be equal DPS.. Rangers have Bolas, Mages have Cloak of Fire, Rogues have nothing. If all 3 are equal DPSers, there is no point in being a rogue.. You may aswell just be a ranger or Mage depending on if you prefer cloak or bolas lol. Rogues don't have these kind of skills, they can't hit from distance and they don't have any fancy skills doing crazy amounts of damage every tick to any monster attacking.

Rogues have no great support skills, they can't heal themselves mid-battle, they are just there for damage, this is why I personally believe they should be #1 DPS

Mages, although they have Cloak of fire.. Can't heal themselves mid-battle, and do awful non-skill damage, making it hard to do any sort of solo bosses. This is why I believe Mages should take the #2 spot

And Rangers.. Rangers are an All-Round class and at the moment, and by far the best class on the game in my opinion. Rangers have Bolas.. They can Solo ANY Melee boss. they have great heals in 'Light Heal' (I saw a ranger helping to heal on Spirehoof yesterday, healing around 270 with there light heal which regens very quick). As rangers have no limit at the moment and are an All-round class and not DPS specific, I believe they should take the #3 DPS spot, along with warriors.

As for Druids.. They do awful damage, but there the only class that your likely to see solo Wisp bosses without any pots

As for mages being a support class, you missed 1 skill of your list which, in my opinion, is the best support skill on the game, by a mile :p

And I completely agree with SirBlaze, Mages should take the #2 spot.

But to everyone saying that mages should be better DPS.. Answer me this.. If Mages were to be given better DPS than rogues.. What would be the point in rogues??? It would kill off that class.

hey, thanks for the support
I totally agree with your rhetorical question; rogues are supposed to be pure dps

So what is the point of a Mage a rogue can do sustained dps without taking aggro because if they pull it they distract and pass it on
A Mage ? Support class you say? Anyone here use a char with herioc neccy and run out of mana?
Energy boost and well r in high demand arnt they an have been since dustwither days
The Mage class has been killed off

Right now on my server, the highest skill hit is a Rogue with over 1700. I am second highest Mage with a little over 860. Keep in mind the Rogue and I are only 3 levels apart.

While I agree with you that mages need improvements in the damage department, I wouldn't put much stock on the online rankings. It's not an accurate barometer of how hard classes hit because most of the top-ranked players there have used Book of Rebirth to put all their stat points in Strength and attacked a level 1 direhound to get those numbers.

I understand people use rebirth; however, I specifically mentioned skills hits. Stats don't affect skills (yet). He can put as many points as he wants into his strength and it will have 0 effect on his skills hits.

Great to here alot of support for mages

However, I said that I think rogues should still be best dps. I just asked if mages will move up in ranks in terms of dps.

I know the thread got off track, but the honest answer to your question is....we don't know yet. Not all of the new skills have been introduced and we have not started any real class balancing testing yet.

You know how I feel about Mages, so trust me, as soon as I know anything about the new Mage DPS I will make sure you get an answer.

Xetah got it in 1. I see mages tanking Chillmist.. Not to mention the amount of damage mages do on all wisps which everyone so kindly forgot to mention. (3 of the Sv bosses being wisps).

Haha we're doing **** dmg against chill, star and fell now, a giant swing out dmg a ice shard on fell
However, mages can tank against these bosses, not rogues :
Rogues are puting points into str or dex but for us, str doesn't increase our poor dmg so we can have more health ( i have over 2800 )

And I completely agree with SirBlaze, Mages should take the #2 spot.

But to everyone saying that mages should be better DPS.. Answer me this.. If Mages were to be given better DPS than rogues.. What would be the point in rogues??? It would kill off that class.

They should be equal i think,
Rogues should stay best dps but mages must be more important

IMHO they shouldn't all be equal DPS.. Rangers have Bolas, Mages have Cloak of Fire, Rogues have nothing. If all 3 are equal DPSers, there is no point in being a rogue..

Cloak of fire doesn't increase our dmg, it's only dmg when we are targetted and we are never taking melee dmg in boss fights because we have no armor and not enough dps to be attacked.
So we stay outside of grp full of rogues and cast cloak on tank to help him keeping aggro when rogues distract :|