Celtic Heroes

Argumentum ad hominem

Attack the idea, not the person.

Attacking the idea dosent work as you can see. Humiliating people who can't face basic facts is a better strategy than using rationality on a mind incapable of it. Let them know ignorance and reality denial aren't to be respected.

If this is ur strategy then its not working. U cannot make me be ashamed for being a Christian. On the contrary in fact. It makes me pray for you instead.

I am praying and voting for the day when people who can't accept reality can't get jobs.

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Why do people in the bible have longer lives...? What changed?

Just my theory but I think we can infer from the scripture that Adam and Eve were originally created with perfect bodies that did not die but after the fall they started to die. Genetically their bodies were far better than ours and so the closer people were to the beginning the more perfect their genes would be. So something like the perfection of our genetics is decreasing and our bodies are becoming less resistant to age would make sense from this point of view.
(Notice as the Bible progresses people's average life spans decrease)

Hey Ed glad ur back. My personnal theory and it is shared by others is that in the beginning when God created the earth, there was a layer of water around the earth(or something similar to what we have today, except much more powerful) that kept out the harmful UV rays from the sun that cause decay. This would also account for where the water for the flood came from.

Also while im on the subject of the flood, ken ham answered very nicely why the ark might not have leaked( why the ship wouldn't twist and turn. Also if u look at the dimensions if the ark, the way that it was built made it almost impossible to capsize unless it was flipped upside down. Also if we are going to assume that the biblical account of Noah is true then we have to assume that God was involved. U really think that the most powerful, all-knowing being of all couldnt build a boat that wouldn't sink? Also during the Flood God probably protected the ark. Another thing is that Noah would have had plenty of time to build the ark as it was at least 50 years(more like 100) from when God spoke to Noah until the Flood.

Edit: looked up the story and found out that it was more like 100 years not 200. Oops.[/quote]
My problem is not really how the ark could have made it, how the animals fit, etc but rather... why? In fact, I will edit the end of one of your sentences above: "U really think that the most powerful, all-knowing being of all couldnt [just eliminate the people he/she/it deemed bad for the world]?"[/quote]

I like i think of it as a hypothetical question. Lets say you were the president of the United States and ur son murdered 1000 people an there was no doubt he did it. In fact he admitted to it and was even proud of it. The sentence for such a crime is death but u had the discision whether or not to execute him. Would you execute him? I would hope the answer is yes. But would u still love ur son? I would hope be answer is yes again. That was how it was for God. It pained him i think to punish us in that way. But he had to do it. Also vraelen i don't think u realize how evil these people were. Every thought they had was evil. They would probably make hitler look like a cherub. God did get rid of those he thought were bad for he planet and even gave them means i escape. That's what people forget us that the people were warned but they didnt take Noah seriously. They could have repented. But they chose not to. I hope this helps you understand a little better.

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Argumentum ad hominem

Attack the idea, not the person.

Attacking the idea dosent work as you can see. Humiliating people who can't face basic facts is a better strategy than using rationality on a mind incapable of it. Let them know ignorance and reality denial aren't to be respected.

Solubum wrote: If this is ur strategy then its not working. U cannot make me be ashamed for being a Christian. On the contrary in fact. It makes me pray for you instead.

I am praying and voting for the day when people who can't accept reality can't get jobs.[/quote]

Wow and you say that you believe that there should be seperation of church and state.

Why don't you give me something that i can do at home that absolutely proves that i am wrong and you are right. Even then i won't believe evolution. But maybe it will change someone else's mind.

Ok i really hate to use this argument, but plus3 there are scientist in almost all fields of science tha belief in creationism. Many of these man do not believe in God. They are not Christians. But yet these men belief in intelligent design. They can't all be sentimental morons. So if these geniuses believe in creationism based on the evidence they can see( not because of how they were raised) then what makes u think there is no argument for creationism?

Most of those scientists believe in an unnamed entity (that can be referred to as God) that existed at the very begining to start the universe and set up natural laws to create a sort of balance that we have now. Everything else is just spiraling off on its own, not specifically governed by anything. What makes this idea valid is that there is absolutely no evidence for what happened at the begining (if there was one). That means practically any idea could be right. The most important thing is that this idea does not stop them from still seeking answers and acceptiong what a majority of evidence points to. They believe in evolution, an "old" Earth, and do not affiliate with any specific religion.

I like i think of it as a hypothetical question. Lets say you were the president of the United States and ur son murdered 1000 people an there was no doubt he did it. In fact he admitted to it and was even proud of it. The sentence for such a crime is death but u had the discision whether or not to execute him. Would you execute him? I would hope the answer is yes. But would u still love ur son? I would hope be answer is yes again. That was how it was for God. It pained him i think to punish us in that way. But he had to do it. Also vraelen i don't think u realize how evil these people were. Every thought they had was evil. They would probably make hitler look like a cherub. God did get rid of those he thought were bad for he planet and even gave them means i escape. That's what people forget us that the people were warned but they didnt take Noah seriously. They could have repented. But they chose not to. I hope this helps you understand a little better.

I never said they did not deserve to die. I am wondering why the "sentence" was not carried out in a more efficient way. If this being was so powerful and all knowing, why not just snap the evil people out of existence? If God wanted a test, why not just threaten, see the results, and then snap them out of existence? Or read their minds? Or just know? Why was there a need to put Noah or the other species of the planet in danger in the first place? For a being of so much power and wisdom, the way it does things seems to be mundane.

Much of what God does seems mundane. He created everything but needed Adam's rib to create one more thing? He knows everything but tested people throughout the bible anyways? That is the problem when you propose the existence of something all powerful and all knowing but then try to connect it to us. It just does not fit.

Why don't you give me something that i can do at home that absolutely proves that i am wrong and you are right. Even then i won't believe evolution. But maybe it will change someone else's mind.

If you do not have the capacity to change your mind, you have already lost the argument. Without change, there is no point to existence. We live to change and change to live.

I like i think of it as a hypothetical question. Lets say you were the president of the United States and ur son murdered 1000 people an there was no doubt he did it. In fact he admitted to it and was even proud of it. The sentence for such a crime is death but u had the discision whether or not to execute him. Would you execute him? I would hope the answer is yes. But would u still love ur son? I would hope be answer is yes again. That was how it was for God. It pained him i think to punish us in that way. But he had to do it. Also vraelen i don't think u realize how evil these people were. Every thought they had was evil. They would probably make hitler look like a cherub. God did get rid of those he thought were bad for he planet and even gave them means i escape. That's what people forget us that the people were warned but they didnt take Noah seriously. They could have repented. But they chose not to. I hope this helps you understand a little better.

I never said they did not deserve to die. I am wondering why the "sentence" was not carried out in a more efficient way. If this being was so powerful and all knowing, why not just snap the evil people out of existence? If God wanted a test, why not just threaten, see the results, and then snap them out of existence? Or read their minds? Or just know? Why was there a need to put Noah or the other species of the planet in danger in the first place? For a being of so much power and wisdom, the way it does things seems to be mundane.

That's a good point but we aren't meant to know the mysteries of god. Like when the wesboro baptists said katrina was sent as punishment for all the homosexuality. Why didn't the flood swoop magically over the mother and baby, around the bus load of churchgoers, to both sides of the churches and slam into bill and Steve on thier date? Instead countless innocents were murdered to kill a small handful of gay people. Just like the biblical references.

God must be pretty darn lazy and uncaring to murder so many of the innocents that just happen to be in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Wait I mean move them to a better place lol.

Why don't you give me something that i can do at home that absolutely proves that i am wrong and you are right. Even then i won't believe evolution. But maybe it will change someone else's mind.

If you do not have the capacity to change your mind, you have already lost the argument. Without change, there is no point to existence. We live to change and change to live.

That pretty much goes to show why ad-homenim attacks are justified.

Ok i really hate to use this argument, but plus3 there are scientist in almost all fields of science tha belief in creationism. Many of these man do not believe in God. They are not Christians. But yet these men belief in intelligent design. They can't all be sentimental morons. So if these geniuses believe in creationism based on the evidence they can see( not because of how they were raised) then what makes u think there is no argument for creationism?

Most of those scientists believe in an unnamed entity (that can be referred to as God) that existed at the very begining to start the universe and set up natural laws to create a sort of balance that we have now. Everything else is just spiraling off on its own, not specifically governed by anything. What makes this idea valid is that there is absolutely no evidence for what happened at the begining (if there was one). That means practically any idea could be right. The most important thing is that this idea does not stop them from still seeking answers and acceptiong what a majority of evidence points to. They believe in evolution, an "old" Earth, and do not affiliate with any specific religion.

Vraelan has a point there - the bulk of believers are diests like Einstein was. There isn't any evidence for or against it really. Any actual scientists would however be swayed if any evidence did come to light. Rather than just pretending it didn't exist.