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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#521

Actually I worded my response wrong. Women are not to be pastors in the church(or deacons; or elders). It's funny, because it seems like you didn't read all those verses. Women are not "beneath" men; their purpose is just different. We are all human.
Women are not beneath men?? Lmao are you fkn me here for real???!?!?!?

Do you even read the bible lololol!!! They are to shut up and not speak. They are to obey thier husbands no matter what while the man has nothing to answer to. They are prohibited from teaching. It says they are contentious. They are the cause of all sin and the fall of mankind. They are to learn in silence. They are to bear children and know thier place.

Yes outside of the textbook definition of being sexist/misogynistic then yes it's not sexist or misogynistic. Lmao.

Keep going!!
I might have read the Bible more than you have seen one. They are to obey their husbands(as long as the husbands do not tell them to do something that is against the word of God). They are not to teach in church; that is also true, for reasons you would not understand. They are prohibited from being the pastor/elders/deacons of a church. The man has nothing to answer to? How about God? Duh. Eve was deceived by Satan, Adam knowingly partook of the fruit. Which is the worse sin there? Are they to bear children? Uh, yeah. They are the female kind, are they not? If you haven't noticed, men kinda can't bear children. Some women are contentious; some are not.

Do both men and women have different jobs/responsibilities/purposes? Yes.
Thank you for confirming the sexism in the bible.

Once you get a grip on modern morality and not bronze age goat herder morality come on down and join the rest of the civilized world.

Keep going!!
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Plus3, there is no sexism in the Bible(none that is endorsed anyway). Men and women have different purposes. If you want to call that sexism, you can. For instance, as a man, one of my job is to protect women. As a general rule(definitely exceptions) men are stronger than women. That is why, if you are a moral man, if you see a woman getting hurt, or stuggling to do something, you usually feel obligated to help. It is just our different purposes.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Plus3, there is no sexism in the Bible(none that is endorsed anyway). Men and women have different purposes. If you want to call that sexism, you can. For instance, as a man, one of my job is to protect women. As a general rule(definitely exceptions) men are stronger than women. That is why, if you are a moral man, if you see a woman getting hurt, or stuggling to do something, you usually feel obligated to help. It is just our different purposes.
Yes yes I understand. All women are weak. They can't have a position of authority or power. Wives are to be subservient to all husband demands while husbands only answer to god. Women can't teach. Etc.

Yes they have a different "purpose" lol. Keep going and expose your ingrained sexism. Please it's awesome!
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Also when you say the way wives and dogs are treated by god is different you are wrong, your book would have you believe the wife follows the mans orders without question, unless it defies god, and the women should remain silent unless spoken too. The only difference in the bible is you are allowed to.. Do the dance with no pants shall we say, with one and not the other, also, I think you forget solumbum, we are atheists, that means we naturally read extensively into all religions, the majority of atheists are more aware of your bible and the biblical implications than you yourself, we sit and we think and we talk about this stuff, so of course we would know more.

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Plus3, there is no sexism in the Bible(none that is endorsed anyway). Men and women have different purposes. If you want to call that sexism, you can. For instance, as a man, one of my job is to protect women. As a general rule(definitely exceptions) men are stronger than women. That is why, if you are a moral man, if you see a woman getting hurt, or stuggling to do something, you usually feel obligated to help. It is just our different purposes.
So if you see a man in pain you just leave him? Nice to know YOU are the idea of a "moral' human being. And us atheists are looked down upon by individuals such as yourself.

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Wow, I haven't read since last night, and we are still pretty much in the same argument after 2-3 pages.

Good luck solumbum, but I recommend to not even read these posts since they are just insults and stereotypes about Christians.
I already proved my point of view, and if you people are ignorant to not understand, then ok.

Keep up the flame war! Good way to get higher forum "ranks" by posting here :lol:

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#528
What I do not understand is why there are such pointless insults when all we need is evidence. Find a study where multiple people took measurements, made observations, preformed calculations, etc. If that can not be done, then a god is no more real than any other ancient myth.

In regards to human men vs women, the only difference is really in reproductive capacities. Other than that, women have shown the world that they are equal to men in every other way. A woman can fight just as well, be just as strong, brave, courageous, etc.

And yes, I do believe that religions, since many were written by men of ancient times, do subjugate women incorrectly and it is another reason that suggests it is simply human fable.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Plus, have you ever tried to be tactful? Like in a sense, polite? It makes you more professional in debates. So if you would RESPECT other peoples' opinions instead laughing them off, maybe we would get somewhere. I used to do this and now I look back and see what a retard it made me look like. Now, to the point.

Common sense always beats assumptions. There were thousands of people that witnessed Jesus perform miracles and live. 500 people observed him rise as he left his tomb. This common sense, (knowing that witnesses pass on information) is a LOT more believable than assuming a belief based on one man's idea that consists if a premise using vague, faint, and almost non-existent evidence. In a sense, evolution is a pseudoscience.

To blue galaxies and light emission: if we can measure the time it takes for a lightwave to red shift into a lower frequency wave, then we can understand anything in the universe that involves light. Now evolutionists and atheists are clapping and giving a standing ovation to this fact. OBJECTION. Unfortunately, we cannot measure the time it takes for a lightwave to red shift. Evolutionists say that the light particles have been traveling for billions of years, from a star that is 200 billion light years away. Please fix the formula for measuring light, just please.

To carbon dating: based on our knowledge of how long it takes for carbon atoms to decay, we can figure out how long an object has been decaying for, right? No. A single object cannot last hundreds of millions of years. Carbon dating is simply inaccurate.

One last topping: the first bible was printed in the 17th century. Yet in genesis, God puts Adam to sleep and takes a rib from him. Yes! Surgery! The first surgery! Of course doctors hadn't 'discovered' the correct treatment for surgery. It was only until later that they found out that ether could knock someone out for them to feel no pain.

That is all for today. I am simply not convinced that evolution is true. HOWEVER, I do believe in the Big Bang. God spoke, and well, bang. :)
You do realise you did nothing to prove religion or disprove science, ya? I mean, I can make statements too...

Common sense would be to not believe in either as it really is a deep into the past investigation, but it is called "common" sense.

I have no idea how someone could be inspired by genesis to create procedures for surgery. In any case, I thought taking the rib from Adam was more of a metaphor... Why else would God, the same all powerful all knowing being who had just created the universe, require a rib to create one more thing?
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#530
God seems to enjoy doing things in a profound, long winded, and stupid way, for example the flood, he could have made everyone except noah and his family disappear, but ohh no, he had to build an arc! Also jesus died for our sins, god could have made the sin vanish, but ohh no, he had to send his son down to do the dirty work. Face it, god made jesus his ***.

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