Celtic Heroes

Anyway, to plus3, so I assume that you still believe in leeches curing most diseases right? Because at one point that was thought to be the case and at that time could be considered "science".

Ok, so I thought I would go back to the OP and discuss what people apparently think is a barbaric mistake.

At the time of its use, medical science was not far at all; especially due to the high level of religious institutions that would still have enough influence to impact anyone who would seek information that may disprove a god.

There is no doubt that the idea that all illness resulted from an imbalance of the four humours (or some other such theory)—blood, black bile, yellow bile, and phlegm—is incorrect, but scientists of the time were still on the right track.

Bloodletting, or phlebotomy, through leeches actually helped with a few of the more common sicknesses such as heart disease, high blood pressure, and pulmonary oedema. Even a few rare diseases, such as haemochromatosis, where there is an overabundance of iron in the blood, required simple bloodletting and today it still remains as the most common solution.

The most important lesson to gain is that science put us on the right track as we continue to find patterns and modify our knowledge. I would say the possible chance that leeches could help is still better than the alternative, which would be to sit down and pray with a guaranteed effectiveness of zero. Well, perhaps .0001 as there are times when the placebo effect could allow a person to cure oneself.

Thought I would add there have been many studies on prayer and medical outcomes. When the people didn't know people were praying for them there was no change in outcomes. When people did know they had slightly poorer outcomes than the control group. It was put forth that the act of people praying for them and them needing to get better to prove thier faith stressed them out. Prayer from all flavors of religion has been proven to have at best the same effect as a placebo to worse outcomes - it is a total waste of trying to help and failure on all levels.

There are major problems with disbelief in reality. There was a case of a woman whose newborn unfortunately happened to suffer brain injury and became essentially brain dead. Her religious leaders told her it was because of her sins an she needed to atone for them to save the child. So on top of the monumental pain of losing her child all that additional crap got piled on. Then the baby died. Good job helping people religion!

New lead for dark matter:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26819792

Dark energy:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26329320

Edit: My 1000th post. Yay...

Edit: Not direct evidence but proof that we are in fact moving forward in these fields. Again, religion is not leading us forward, unless someone would like to prove otherwise.

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people are born gay. it is not a choice, it occurs in every other species and humans are the only ones who villify it

Thanks for proving my point.

Scientists said being gay is a SICKNESS a few years back. Then they said they had an excuse because many homosexuals wrote on a survey that they were sexually molested.
Now scientists say that they are born gay, so again, science contradicts itself all the time.

And every other animal is bisexual in a way. Animals don't have sexual appeal by looking at another animal, but by the chemical the female sends, so even if this animal likes to be with males, its will eventually go for a female. Animals have sex with the same gender to have control over the other(You can see this happening a lot with dogs).

Animals are animals. Humans fight for control, even if its physically or politically . That's the difference between Humans and animals.

And about human Male vs Female. In the bible, Females are equal to males, just that males are the head of the family. In the old testament it was different, but now we obey the New testament, so the rules in the Old testament are obsolete(except the ten commandments, we still obey those) . Do you understand?

Ok, Im leaving...Gonna try to not read anymore, since its addicting to just reply

This is my last posts. I just have to reply to this one

people are born gay. it is not a choice, it occurs in every other species and humans are the only ones who villify it

Thanks for proving my point.

Scientists said being gay is a SICKNESS a few years back. Then they said they had an excuse because many homosexuals wrote on a survey that they were sexually molested.
Now scientists say that they are born gay, so again, science contradicts itself all the time.

And every other animal is bisexual in a way. Animals don't have sexual appeal by looking at another animal, but by the chemical the female sends, so even if this animal likes to be with males, its will eventually go for a female. Animals have sex with the same gender to have control over the other(You can see this happening a lot with dogs).

Animals are animals. Humans fight for control, even if its physically or politically . That's the difference between Humans and animals.

And about human Male vs Female. In the bible, Females are equal to males, just that males are the head of the family. In the old testament it was different, but now we obey the New testament, so the rules in the Old testament are obsolete(except the ten commandments, we still obey those) . Do you understand?

Ok, Im leaving...Gonna try to not read anymore, since its addicting to just reply

Science only said homosexuality was a disease when the Catholic Church ruled, because if they didnt, it would end in a less than pretty manner.

This is my last posts. I just have to reply to this one

people are born gay. it is not a choice, it occurs in every other species and humans are the only ones who villify it

Thanks for proving my point.

Scientists said being gay is a SICKNESS a few years back. Then they said they had an excuse because many homosexuals wrote on a survey that they were sexually molested.
Now scientists say that they are born gay, so again, science contradicts itself all the time.

And every other animal is bisexual in a way. Animals don't have sexual appeal by looking at another animal, but by the chemical the female sends, so even if this animal likes to be with males, its will eventually go for a female. Animals have sex with the same gender to have control over the other(You can see this happening a lot with dogs).

Animals are animals. Humans fight for control, even if its physically or politically . That's the difference between Humans and animals.

And about human Male vs Female. In the bible, Females are equal to males, just that males are the head of the family. In the old testament it was different, but now we obey the New testament, so the rules in the Old testament are obsolete(except the ten commandments, we still obey those) . Do you understand?

Ok, Im leaving...Gonna try to not read anymore, since its addicting to just reply

Yes science clings to the best facts available and does change the consensus based on that. That's why it is increasingly correct over time. Oh and by the way only some % of people reported being molested who were gay not 100% if its the source I think you are using. Some males admit to murdering people since you are a male you are a murder by the same logic.

You lack an extreme amount of knowledge about animals it's amazing. So peacocks don't use sexual appeal by looking at the other animal it's all chemical scents?? Lmao!!!!! Go on publish your results in nature and overturn the world of biology!!! I'll call and let them know you are submitting lmao!!!! You know nothing about biology yet are confident just like religious people pride themselves on ignorance and call it faith.

And yes females are the equal to males. Only they can't hold positions of power in the church. Or are allowed to even speak in church. Or are allowed to teach. And they must obey the husband and god no matter what and the husband only answers to god. And they must learn in silence. And they are all argumentative. And thier only role is so make babies, keep up the home, and know thier place. Yes textbook equality!! Lol another religious win for superior morality.

Bible quote that was lost to time:
Cute story babe now shut up and make me a sammach!

Scientists said being gay is a SICKNESS a few years back. Then they said they had an excuse because many homosexuals wrote on a survey that they were sexually molested.
Now scientists say that they are born gay, so again, science contradicts itself all the time.

Please, show me where scientists, as in a majority of the scientific community, state that homosexuality is a sickness. And no, I do not mean the scientists from the time when the Catholic Church dictated science but an actual study from the modern era.

And every other animal is bisexual in a way. Animals don't have sexual appeal by looking at another animal, but by the chemical the female sends, so even if this animal likes to be with males, its will eventually go for a female. Animals have sex with the same gender to have control over the other(You can see this happening a lot with dogs).

I am sorry, but you have quite an apparent and serious lack of knowledge regarding biology. All animals, which does include humans, do utilise sexual appeal all the time as well as various chemical signals and pheromones.

Have you not heard of various mating rituals that many animals have? Have you not wondered about various colours and designs that the same species of an animal has?

Animals are animals. Humans fight for control, even if its physically or politically . That's the difference between Humans and animals.

You realise that you did not outline the difference, ya? "Animals are animals" does not actually explain anything.

And about human Male vs Female. In the bible, Females are equal to males, just that males are the head of the family. In the old testament it was different, but now we obey the New testament, so the rules in the Old testament are obsolete(except the ten commandments, we still obey those) . Do you understand?

Well, I think the parents or "elders" are the head of the family. As in both male and female. In a typical family, the man and the woman should make almost all decisions together. Do not expect a relationship to last long if you are a man and think you have all the power... Lol.

Scientists said being gay is a SICKNESS a few years back. Then they said they had an excuse because many homosexuals wrote on a survey that they were sexually molested.
Now scientists say that they are born gay, so again, science contradicts itself all the time.

Please, show me where scientists, as in a majority of the scientific community, state that homosexuality is a sickness. And no, I do not mean the scientists from the time when the Catholic Church dictated science but an actual study from the modern era.

And every other animal is bisexual in a way. Animals don't have sexual appeal by looking at another animal, but by the chemical the female sends, so even if this animal likes to be with males, its will eventually go for a female. Animals have sex with the same gender to have control over the other(You can see this happening a lot with dogs).

I am sorry, but you have quite an apparent and serious lack of knowledge regarding biology. All animals, which does include humans, do utilise sexual appeal all the time as well as various chemical signals and pheromones.

Have you not heard of various math rituals that many animals have? Have you not wondered about various colours and designs that the same species of an animal has?

Animals are animals. Humans fight for control, even if its physically or politically . That's the difference between Humans and animals.

You realise that you did not outline the difference, ya? "Animals are animals" does not actually explain anything.

And about human Male vs Female. In the bible, Females are equal to males, just that males are the head of the family. In the old testament it was different, but now we obey the New testament, so the rules in the Old testament are obsolete(except the ten commandments, we still obey those) . Do you understand?

Well, I think the parents or "elders" are the head of the family. As in both male and female. In a typical family, the man and the woman should make almost all decisions together. Do not expect a relationship to last long if you are a man and think you have all the power... Lol.

As to the "role" of women it is stone age morality to have women subservient to men in marriage like the bible says is correct. It's not just you vraelan. The world looks down on countries where this still goes on.

Math rituals for animals? You mean like how animals integrate into thier surroundings? Ok I stink at math jokes and know you meant mating but I like the idea of animal math rituals

To be fair the American Psychiatric Association had homosexuality classified as a mental disorder up untill 1969. But that's barely a science. Math is a pure subject resting on axioms. Physics is the most rigorous and pure science with financial and psychiatric sciences the least scientific. It's not surprising that they would need more revision and be somewhat arbitrary on some subjects. p

Obligatory xkcd
http://xkcd.com/435/

^ Opps! I meant "mating." I was typing fast in the middle of a convention, sorry about that.

Lol, I can just imagine... "we've been differentiating for too long, lets sum it up and integrate

I did not know about the American Psychiatric Association. Well, at least they changed when new evidence was presented. Unlike certain people...

This is my last posts. I just have to reply to this one

people are born gay. it is not a choice, it occurs in every other species and humans are the only ones who villify it

Thanks for proving my point.

Scientists said being gay is a SICKNESS a few years back. Then they said they had an excuse because many homosexuals wrote on a survey that they were sexually molested.
Now scientists say that they are born gay, so again, science contradicts itself all the time.

And every other animal is bisexual in a way. Animals don't have sexual appeal by looking at another animal, but by the chemical the female sends, so even if this animal likes to be with males, its will eventually go for a female. Animals have sex with the same gender to have control over the other(You can see this happening a lot with dogs).

Animals are animals. Humans fight for control, even if its physically or politically . That's the difference between Humans and animals.

And about human Male vs Female. In the bible, Females are equal to males, just that males are the head of the family. In the old testament it was different, but now we obey the New testament, so the rules in the Old testament are obsolete(except the ten commandments, we still obey those) . Do you understand?

Ok, Im leaving...Gonna try to not read anymore, since its addicting to just reply

Yes science clings to the best facts available and does change the consensus based on that. That's why it is increasingly correct over time. Oh and by the way only some % of people reported being molested who were gay not 100% if its the source I think you are using. Some males admit to murdering people since you are a male you are a murder by the same logic.

You lack an extreme amount of knowledge about animals it's amazing. So peacocks don't use sexual appeal by looking at the other animal it's all chemical scents?? Lmao!!!!! Go on publish your results in nature and overturn the world of biology!!! I'll call and let them know you are submitting lmao!!!! You know nothing about biology yet are confident just like religious people pride themselves on ignorance and call it faith.

And yes females are the equal to males. Only they can't hold positions of power in the church. Or are allowed to even speak in church. Or are allowed to teach. And they must obey the husband and god no matter what and the husband only answers to god. And they must learn in silence. And they are all argumentative. And thier only role is so make babies, keep up the home, and know thier place. Yes textbook equality!! Lol another religious win for superior morality.

Bible quote that was lost to time:
Cute story babe now shut up and make me a sammach!

Wow man this just goes to show how ignorant you are of the principles of Christianity. You wouldn't know the difference between sexism and racism if you were in biblical times. Women can speak anywhere, anytime. They can pray to God, they can have an actual relationship with their husband. If you don't understand that, God help you.

This is my last posts. I just have to reply to this one

Thanks for proving my point.

Scientists said being gay is a SICKNESS a few years back. Then they said they had an excuse because many homosexuals wrote on a survey that they were sexually molested.
Now scientists say that they are born gay, so again, science contradicts itself all the time.

And every other animal is bisexual in a way. Animals don't have sexual appeal by looking at another animal, but by the chemical the female sends, so even if this animal likes to be with males, its will eventually go for a female. Animals have sex with the same gender to have control over the other(You can see this happening a lot with dogs).

Animals are animals. Humans fight for control, even if its physically or politically . That's the difference between Humans and animals.

And about human Male vs Female. In the bible, Females are equal to males, just that males are the head of the family. In the old testament it was different, but now we obey the New testament, so the rules in the Old testament are obsolete(except the ten commandments, we still obey those) . Do you understand?

Ok, Im leaving...Gonna try to not read anymore, since its addicting to just reply

Yes science clings to the best facts available and does change the consensus based on that. That's why it is increasingly correct over time. Oh and by the way only some % of people reported being molested who were gay not 100% if its the source I think you are using. Some males admit to murdering people since you are a male you are a murder by the same logic.

You lack an extreme amount of knowledge about animals it's amazing. So peacocks don't use sexual appeal by looking at the other animal it's all chemical scents?? Lmao!!!!! Go on publish your results in nature and overturn the world of biology!!! I'll call and let them know you are submitting lmao!!!! You know nothing about biology yet are confident just like religious people pride themselves on ignorance and call it faith.

And yes females are the equal to males. Only they can't hold positions of power in the church. Or are allowed to even speak in church. Or are allowed to teach. And they must obey the husband and god no matter what and the husband only answers to god. And they must learn in silence. And they are all argumentative. And thier only role is so make babies, keep up the home, and know thier place. Yes textbook equality!! Lol another religious win for superior morality.

Bible quote that was lost to time:
Cute story babe now shut up and make me a sammach!

Wow man this just goes to show how ignorant you are of the principles of Christianity. You wouldn't know the difference between sexism and racism if you were in biblical times. Women can speak anywhere, anytime. They can pray to God, they can have an actual relationship with their husband. If you don't understand that, God help you.

Try refuting a single thing I said lol. You aren't breaking any stereotypes.

In biblical times sexism was extremely bad. Women had no rights, couldn't own things, had no power in society, etc in the middle east where Jesus supposedly lived. Had to obey thier husband no matter how one sided or cruel. It was awful. You have been spoon fed lies if you have heard otherwise in church.

I said the bible says they are not to speak in church. It says this in several places but you don't read your own book lol!

Never said they couldn't pray.

And if you count the sexist women should know the "role" god intends for them then yes they can have a relationship with thier husband. But many men took advantage of the one sided power structure and beat thier wife into submission. It's a historical fact we have only recently outgrown. Not that I expect you to know any history.

Racism was rampant too. They didn't hate Arabic people because they were Arabic. Outsiders (non Jews) were considered trash animals with no rights. For example the slaves treated the best under biblical morality were male Jews. Then female Jews. Finally the trash other people had no rights and were slaves for life like cattle. But I doubt the biblical verses explaining slavery were ever read to you in Sunday school.

It is priceless you don't even read your own book you claim all life, the universe, morality, and everything comes from. Priceless!