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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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I agree there should be some upped checks. But we're talking about a select handful of people that do mass shootings. If your a law abiding sane citizen that simply want to protect their home, you should be allowed to have guns.

Guns shouldn't be banned, I know personally a good amount of people that hunt to have dinner on the table.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Last I checked guns don't kill people, people kill people, but that's a different argument entirely.
Last i checked guns don't kill people, dogs with guns kill people:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-insane-wa ... ir-owners/

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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Yes and the gills help babies breathe in the womb and the tail helps them too! This is just evidence that creatures with tails and creatures with gills had the same creator duh!! God let Satan manifest them in embryos to decieve us from the true path of God!!!!!1!1!!1!!!!!!!!

When will you lying athiest sinners wise up and start giving a ton your money to the church!!! He may be all powerful all knowing and all seeing but he (yes god is a man) is just bad with money!!!
A bit about the gills argument:

A foetus does not need to breathe in utero. We only breathe so we can expel carbon dioxide from our blood and absorb oxygen into our blood so our cells can respire. A foetus gets its oxygen from the mother (as foetal haemoglobin has a greater oxygen affinity than adult Hb). The waste is also transferred via the placenta to the mother. In fact, the foetus has special shunts called the foramen ovalis and the ductus arteriosum which shunt blood AWAY from the lungs. These close off at birth, and are the reason for a hole in the heart or coarctation of the aorta respectively. Gills are not used for breathing.
Yes they are gill slits and not the entire respiratory system not to mention the amniotic fluid isn't oxygenated. That tail doesn't serve a purpose past being a remnant either.

Should have perhaps added more sarcasm and generalized statements just to be clear.

Oh and fetal excrement is commonly found in the amniotic fluid as well. Often babies stew in it for some time. When babies get it in thier lungs bad things can happen. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meconium ... n_syndrome
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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I got bored because the only one offering any real evidence rather than resorting to insults is vraelan.
Sorry but you are wrong. I offered evidence and threw insults in free for having an opinion contrary to facts.

Perhaps if you utilized your reading comprehension skills more it would benefit us all.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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On guns:
http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm


Now I haven't looked up the arguements for those things yet vraelen(Note: yes Magixal, I know there are good sites and books about different subjects. And many times either side can be biased, but this isn't really important; also I think you missed my point). But I have a question for you. Is evolution(not even necessarily the Big Bang) random chance? If it is not then it must have been designed. If it wasnt, then mathematics prove it wrong. You can't argue with the laws of probability and the laws of probability say that without a designer, evolution is next to impossible.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Yes and the gills help babies breathe in the womb and the tail helps them too! This is just evidence that creatures with tails and creatures with gills had the same creator duh!! God let Satan manifest them in embryos to decieve us from the true path of God!!!!!1!1!!1!!!!!!!!

When will you lying athiest sinners wise up and start giving a ton your money to the church!!! He may be all powerful all knowing and all seeing but he (yes god is a man) is just bad with money!!!
A bit about the gills argument:

A foetus does not need to breathe in utero. We only breathe so we can expel carbon dioxide from our blood and absorb oxygen into our blood so our cells can respire. A foetus gets its oxygen from the mother (as foetal haemoglobin has a greater oxygen affinity than adult Hb). The waste is also transferred via the placenta to the mother. In fact, the foetus has special shunts called the foramen ovalis and the ductus arteriosum which shunt blood AWAY from the lungs. These close off at birth, and are the reason for a hole in the heart or coarctation of the aorta respectively. Gills are not used for breathing.
Yes they are gill slits and not the entire respiratory system not to mention the amniotic fluid isn't oxygenated. That tail doesn't serve a purpose past being a remnant either.

Should have perhaps added more sarcasm and generalized statements just to be clear.

Oh and fetal excrement is commonly found in the amniotic fluid as well. Often babies stew in it for some time. When babies get it in thier lungs bad things can happen. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meconium ... n_syndrome
A baby receives oxygenated blood from the mother.....
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Source: Biased, gun supporting website.

Date: Published/written 2004 but the data used for justification is in the 1990s to 2000. Suggested selection due to specifically chosen events.

Data: Events chosen in selected time period. The data only repents part of the truth as most of the statistics would focus on self defence using large numbers to falsely portray usefulness, however, it fails to use percentages or rates which would in fact give more information relating to the entire population at large. The data also fails to reveal specific points about death. For example, the article used a statistic regarding deaths of football players and death by gun. However, it failed to specifically account for intended death, more specifically known as murder. When viewed at large, 60-70% (by my own estimate so it may be off) of all murders are committed with the use of gun. Remember, death is not the problem. The cause of the death is the problem.

Conclusion: Unreliable data that is both out of our time period and manipulated to conform to the source and not the truth.

Suggestion: Visit https://www.census.gov/compendia/statab ... isons.html . Census Bureau from the US government. Divided government. Organisation that would have people from both sides, however, the site only features data. Probability of data manipulation extremely low. Opportunity to reach non manipulated conclusion.
But I have a question for you. Is evolution(not even necessarily the Big Bang) random chance? If it is not then it must have been designed.

The idea that evolution is entirely random chance is incorrect. Please see the explanation of the misconception in the following link: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... faq.php#a2
If it wasnt, then mathematics prove it wrong. You can't argue with the laws of probability and the laws of probability say that without a designer, evolution is next to impossible.
Incorrect. The probability for random mutation is very low. Natural selection is a proven process that we can observe. The overall probability of evolution when compared to infinite possibilities is low, however, it is the theory with a preponderance of the evidence. Therefore, the probability of evolution occurring when compared to all other theories, including creation stories, is high.

The laws of probability do not say that "this has a low probability, therefore god." That is purely religious thought process. The probability of everything forming in what I will admit to be rather extraordinary and "lucky" is low but that does not indicate that it could not happen especially when there is no solid evidence to suggest another theory for how life changes (evolution) and how we came to be (big bang).

Various scripture is laden with an unreliable mixture of metaphor, opinion, and fact which means we can not rely on it for the truth. Without scripture, there exists no other evidence to prove the existence of a god. Perhaps a being that could exist in a different way and we could perceive as more powerful but it would not appear that it would be the god or gods from scripture.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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I agree there should be some upped checks. But we're talking about a select handful of people that do mass shootings. If your a law abiding sane citizen that simply want to protect their home, you should be allowed to have guns.

Guns shouldn't be banned, I know personally a good amount of people that hunt to have dinner on the table.
For now, I would settle for "upped checks." Not the complete banning of guns but at least more regulations that could protect people with and without guns.

A person can simply use a blunt instrument, stun gun (taser), etc that would minimise damage to all parties involved. Instead of shoot first ask questions later, we could actually investigate and again the area will be spared from damage. I agree that a person has the right to defend their home but there are other safer ways.

Imagine if Pistorius, assuming he was telling the truth, waited for the unknown person to leave the lavy and then just shot with a taser. There would of course be an Opps! And possibly a break up but at least no one would pointlessly die. This can apply to almost all cases of "I thought it was a [insert bad type of person]" where if a person really felt threatened and just had to shoot, the most that would happen is you get knocked out and you bump into something as you fall down. No death.

In regards to hunters, I would agree with their use of guns but how many rounds do they really needs and why fight to use an automatic? It is almost as if they expect the deer or whatever animal to shoot back...
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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A bit about the gills argument:

A foetus does not need to breathe in utero. We only breathe so we can expel carbon dioxide from our blood and absorb oxygen into our blood so our cells can respire. A foetus gets its oxygen from the mother (as foetal haemoglobin has a greater oxygen affinity than adult Hb). The waste is also transferred via the placenta to the mother. In fact, the foetus has special shunts called the foramen ovalis and the ductus arteriosum which shunt blood AWAY from the lungs. These close off at birth, and are the reason for a hole in the heart or coarctation of the aorta respectively. Gills are not used for breathing.
Yes they are gill slits and not the entire respiratory system not to mention the amniotic fluid isn't oxygenated. That tail doesn't serve a purpose past being a remnant either.

Should have perhaps added more sarcasm and generalized statements just to be clear.

Oh and fetal excrement is commonly found in the amniotic fluid as well. Often babies stew in it for some time. When babies get it in thier lungs bad things can happen. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meconium ... n_syndrome
A baby receives oxygenated blood from the mother.....
Amniotic fluid is the usually clear fluid surrounding the baby in the uterus. It is not blood lol.

I'm starting to wonder if much like daily show interviews I've stepped into a no amount of sarcastic comments will register as sarcasm zone.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Umbilical Cord, Placenta.......

I say Automatic weapons should be banned, and more restrictions on semi-autos.
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