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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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I agree there should be some upped checks. But we're talking about a select handful of people that do mass shootings. If your a law abiding sane citizen that simply want to protect their home, you should be allowed to have guns.

Guns shouldn't be banned, I know personally a good amount of people that hunt to have dinner on the table.
For now, I would settle for "upped checks." Not the complete banning of guns but at least more regulations that could protect people with and without guns.

A person can simply use a blunt instrument, stun gun (taser), etc that would minimise damage to all parties involved. Instead of shoot first ask questions later, we could actually investigate and again the area will be spared from damage. I agree that a person has the right to defend their home but there are other safer ways.

Imagine if Pistorius, assuming he was telling the truth, waited for the unknown person to leave the lavy and then just shot with a taser. There would of course be an Opps! And possibly a break up but at least no one would pointlessly die. This can apply to almost all cases of "I thought it was a [insert bad type of person]" where if a person really felt threatened and just had to shoot, the most that would happen is you get knocked out and you bump into something as you fall down. No death.

In regards to hunters, I would agree with their use of guns but how many rounds do they really needs and why fight to use an automatic? It is almost as if they expect the deer or whatever animal to shoot back...
A side note on the hilarious refusal to have any kind of list or check with guns is the same senators and congress who are outspoken on that also endorse the actions of NSA spying on people - and keeping lists. I can only assume part of the metadata collected indicates gun ownership lol.

In the USA gun records are so bad (as many require paper only documentation) that even when a legit gun is stolen the owner cannot retrieve information about it from general authorities.

As if being on a list makes you the first home the communist police force will invade upon taking power. Lot of good a couple of guns would do compared to military hardware anyhow.

It's not an easy subject anyhow now that everyone has a taste for them. I can tell you though that most gun owners are careless with their guns and their own guns wind up injuring or killing them more often then someone else's. In addition they are useless in a safe when you need them. Outside of a taser which requires hand to hand combat and only has a single ranged shot (typically) a handgun is actually a combat equalizer for those with some experience.

I can tell you I'm a typical size and strength male with a moderate to nub amount of actual hand to hand fighting training and I can assure you putting a knife or a "blunt instrument" in the hands of most people will do nothing more than perhaps slightly more damage to the attacker as it is removed from their possession and they are beaten or stabbed to death with it. There is no shrugging off a 9mm hit to the chest from a 60 year old lady. It equalizes combat by escalating it to anyone with minor training can be highly lethal at close to mid range combat.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#652
Umbilical Cord, Placenta.......

I say Automatic weapons should be banned, and more restrictions on semi-autos.
Automatic weapons are banned.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Very large website lol. It may have many true facts. But it did not figure in how many people each year were saved from harm or death because they had a gun. Also that information sheet(that I put up) may be for 1990. That's still only 20 years ago. And while much can change in 20 years, the crime rate has most likely gone up. And as such more people would have had to protect themselves.

The probability of the simplest organism forming by chance is not just low. It is so low you could not even comprehend the amount of zeroes required to make that number. It is mathematically impossible. Also, we shouldn't teach something as fact if it hasn't been proven. And a theory has to be testible. Thus, neither evolution, not the Big Bang is a theory. It is a model.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Very large website lol. It may have many true facts. But it did not figure in how many people each year were saved from harm or death because they had a gun. Also that information sheet(that I put up) may be for 1990. That's still only 20 years ago. And while much can change in 20 years, the crime rate has most likely gone up. And as such more people would have had to protect themselves.
The data is still capable of being manipulated. We can see definite deaths where the cause is a gun. However, accounting for people who simply say they used their gun in self defence, we rarely see actual evidence. I am not saying a gun is not useful for self defence but I will say it causes more harm than good.
The probability of the simplest organism forming by chance is not just low. It is so low you could not even comprehend the amount of zeroes required to make that number. It is mathematically impossible. Also, we shouldn't teach something as fact if it hasn't been proven. And a theory has to be testible. Thus, neither evolution, not the Big Bang is a theory. It is a model.
And yet, the probability is still greater than that of creation stories, which have no scientific structure or reasoning. In answer to "we shouldn't...been proven":
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... faq.php#i1 .

Basically, religion does not conform to the scientific method, therefore, it can not be taught in school. At least, not as a scientific idea. That is, after all, why it is called religion and not science ever since we made it out of the dark ages.

A theory is a system of ideas. We do not test the entire theory but rather the ideas that composes it. So, for evolution, an idea is that species can adapt. So we observe and even test out probabilities for species changing. Our main test subjects being rats.

For the Big Bang, one idea is that because there was a "bang" from one point at one start time, we can expect to see an indication of universal placement originating from one point. What we found was actually better; things in the known observable universe are still moving and they appear to be moving away from an origin point.

If an entire theory (or all ideas that compose it) can be tested and proven correct, then it can become a law. It is a difference between theories and laws.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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There is plenty of evidence that there is an intelligent being out there who created us. If you don't believe that, then look around you. If you still don't believe, look at how the Bible fits into itself. No other book has that many prophets, views, and statements that agree with each other. It conforms with history perfectly(not counting creation, as since you don't believe in that, you would count it as a descrepincy. There has never been a time when people did not believe in God, not in the Dark ages, not during the Flood(which has plenty of evidence for it by the way(how did sea shells get on top of mountains? Also, the fossils under the earth are layered in the exact manner we would expect if there was a world wide flood.) The Bible matches up exactly with real science. It is evolution that does not match up with the scientific message. It has not been observed, nor is thereany fossil evidence for it. The chances of it occurring are so minute it is not even funny. The Bible can fit into any developments that science makes while evolution tries to explain even the laws of thermodynamics. I am tired of people saying that creationism is not scientific. It is. I am not a moron(against popular belief). I do not deny reality. I just accept what science has proven correct(aka creationism) and reject what it has proven wrong(aka evolution).
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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There is plenty of evidence that there is an intelligent being out there who created us. If you don't believe that, then look around you. If you still don't believe, look at how the Bible fits into itself. No other book has that many prophets, views, and statements that agree with each other. It conforms with history perfectly(not counting creation, as since you don't believe in that, you would count it as a descrepincy. There has never been a time when people did not believe in God, not in the Dark ages, not during the Flood(which has plenty of evidence for it by the way(how did sea shells get on top of mountains? Also, the fossils under the earth are layered in the exact manner we would expect if there was a world wide flood.) The Bible matches up exactly with real science. It is evolution that does not match up with the scientific message. It has not been observed, nor is thereany fossil evidence for it. The chances of it occurring are so minute it is not even funny. The Bible can fit into any developments that science makes while evolution tries to explain even the laws of thermodynamics. I am tired of people saying that creationism is not scientific. It is. I am not a moron(against popular belief). I do not deny reality. I just accept what science has proven correct(aka creationism) and reject what it has proven wrong(aka evolution).
Ok, show me all of that. If creation really is scientific, then there has to be some group of scientists to investigate it and formulate a study.

You have asked previously about how sea shells are at the top of mountains. I explained that due to tectonic plate movement, the tops of those mountains were once relatively flat and may have even been at the bottom of an ocea, where sea shells would originate.

The bible does not fit into all development of science. Anything that does not change can not represent something that does. That is irrefutable logic.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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The probability of the simplest organism forming by chance is not just low. It is so low you could not even comprehend the amount of zeroes required to make that number. It is mathematically impossible. Also, we shouldn't teach something as fact if it hasn't been proven. And a theory has to be testible. Thus, neither evolution, not the Big Bang is a theory. It is a model.
No one knows how simple the first organism was but it might actually be quite easy to happen by chance. For example the first organism may simply be a collection of amino acids that build up in porous rock near sea vents. Just one has to get a self replicating structure going and it could spread into the nearby material and start up evolution. So just because you assume the simplest organism is something like a mouse or single cell the fact is that you don't have an idea because you systematically demonstrate a lack of understanding basic science.

Not to mention earth like planets are quite common - about 1/100 to 1/1000 of planets with perhaps a trillion in our galaxy and a trillion galaxies in the visible universe alone. If each had a billion years for life to develop that means if you had one powerball lottery entry (1/170 million chance) per planet per year to win the "does spontaneous life start" - life would have started at least 6 billion trillion times in the visible universe already.

You demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding the actual math of probability and statistics, role of chance in science, and the scope of reality.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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The probability of the simplest organism forming by chance is not just low. It is so low you could not even comprehend the amount of zeroes required to make that number. It is mathematically impossible. Also, we shouldn't teach something as fact if it hasn't been proven. And a theory has to be testible. Thus, neither evolution, not the Big Bang is a theory. It is a model.
No one knows how simple the first organism was but it might actually be quite easy to happen by chance. For example the first organism may simply be a collection of amino acids that build up in porous rock near sea vents. Just one has to get a self replicating structure going and it could spread into the nearby material and start up evolution. So just because you assume the simplest organism is something like a mouse or single cell the fact is that you don't have an idea because you systematically demonstrate a lack of understanding basic science.

Not to mention earth like planets are quite common - about 1/100 to 1/1000 of planets with perhaps a trillion in our galaxy and a trillion galaxies in the visible universe alone. If each had a billion years for life to develop that means if you had one powerball lottery entry (1/170 million chance) per planet per year to win the "does spontaneous life start" - life would have started at least 6 billion trillion times in the visible universe already.

You demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding the actual math of probability and statistics, role of chance in science, and the scope of reality.
http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/6788 ... nce-alone/

And don't get started with your bs crap of ''oh they guessed the chances'' after all, isn't that all of what evolution is grounded upon is rough estimates?
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Here is some excerpts from Charles Darwin himself, and how he even had doubts about his theory. He still refused to believe Creationism, not because since disproved it, but because he was hard-hearted and straight up refused to stop hoping to find crucial evidence.

Excerpts from Charles Darwin's "the origin of species"

From chapter 6:

“To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.”

“Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.”

If numerous species, belonging to the same genera or families, have really started into life all at once, the fact would be fatal to the theory to descent with slow modification though natural selection.


Read the origin of species. Darwin doubts his own theory and says it's obscured to believe.
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