Celtic Heroes

I don't understand why everyone looks to the past about religion. We are in 2014, where the mindset for absolutely everything has changed.

Almost all your ancestors lived and did evil things just as Christians did back in the medieval times. They were dark ages, and people looked to religion for hope. I bet you 99% of the people who were Christians at the time just did it for hope, practiced none of the customs. Other religions however, have not changed since then. Some Islamic root religions still believe in killing other people to have a good place in heaven, which is pretty awful.

The modern Christian is a much more different kind of person. Just because some people did some things in the past, it does not mean we agree with them. If we had agreed with them, don't you think we would still be burning "witches" ?

Christians at the time had a completely wrong idea, but the human race as a whole evolved, and Christianity with it. So please do not tell me about things that happened generations ago that people of whatever religion today have nothing to do with.

Calling a persons ideas is in fact offensive. A person consists of his/her values and ideals, we are nothing without them. Telling me that abortion makes the world have to pay less for one person is a fact, but does that mean that whatever other opinion is stupid and retarded?

The factual answer isn't always the morally right one.

Abortion is moral. Would you like to live in a family that doesnt love you? Without enough money for food? Getting a meagre existence until the point you most likely die at age 30 because you can't afford health insurance? No, And abortion is not killing because the Featus isn't ever alive. Its like having cancerous cells removed, you don't protest about that do you? Im sure everyone will back you up with #stopcancercures

On Abortion. It should only be allowed if your raped, otherwise, abortion should be illegal, and placing a kid in adoption is free.

I don't understand why everyone looks to the past about religion. We are in 2014, where the mindset for absolutely everything has changed.

Almost all your ancestors lived and did evil things just as Christians did back in the medieval times. They were dark ages, and people looked to religion for hope. I bet you 99% of the people who were Christians at the time just did it for hope, practiced none of the customs. Other religions however, have not changed since then. Some Islamic root religions still believe in killing other people to have a good place in heaven, which is pretty awful.

Yes people had only religion to look to because for most of history science and technology either didn't exist or was too primitive, arcane, and inaccessible to the common people.

So you say that people believed none of it (hence not following through on customs) but looked to it for hope? I dare you to make less sense. Religions were and are today used as a tool to amass an empire around and past political boundaries. Thier sole purpose is to gain power.

And by the way Christians, though not as prolific as Muslims, still carry out extremist terrorist activities and love to kill. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
A simple google search will take you to page after page after page of Christian violence and murder. Go on invoke the "not a true Scotsman" fallacy but they call themselves Christians and use thier holy texts. No lightning bolts are flying down and stopping them. Oh wait that would be from zeus.

The modern Christian is a much more different kind of person. Just because some people did some things in the past, it does not mean we agree with them. If we had agreed with them, don't you think we would still be burning "witches" ?

Christians at the time had a completely wrong idea, but the human race as a whole evolved, and Christianity with it. So please do not tell me about things that happened generations ago that people of whatever religion today have nothing to do with.

what wait what??? The one true word of god to man is constantly changing? That flies in the face of all dogma. While its true in fact the vast majority of religious people refuse to admit this. Just saying religion evolves makes the majority cringe. Yes we all know it has to be contemporary to maintain credibility but that very act undermines the supposed timeless divine nature and renders the bible a worthless outdated goat herder tome.

Calling a persons ideas is in fact offensive. A person consists of his/her values and ideals, we are nothing without them. Telling me that abortion makes the world have to pay less for one person is a fact, but does that mean that whatever other opinion is stupid and retarded?

The factual answer isn't always the morally right one.

This last block is a jumbled mess of half thoughts and non-sequiturs. Facts and morals aren't really in the same category. And yes when someone believes without evidence things that are demonstratably false they are ignorant and stupid. That is almost the textbook definition.

Reality is anything but an opinion. As if believing a gun can't kill you actually makes you immune to bullets lmao. If you are a fan of fantasy based reality try playing on the freeway with your eyes closed and - if you can - report back how that goes for you.

I'm not even a fully fledged Christian, my parents have it so yes I go to church maybe once every month, so I feel it as my duty to defend family beliefs.


Fact and morality are conventional in this discussion, since you are telling us about real world facts and calling beliefs stupid. It's like saying love isn't real, and its just the hormones of the body giving you an unearthly feeling. You are completely changing what I said.

Are you telling me that only Christians kill people? I'm sorry that I can't make everyone see things the way I do. Basically, I put Christianity into two categories (I have my own little religion, Christianity with my quirks) the liars and the faithful. Many, many, and I really mean many people now a days use Christianity simply to forgive themselves. Criminals in general will usually be found with some link to religion. They do evil things over and over and over and use religion to forgive themselves. Then there's the faithful, who actually follow human rules and community rules.

Religion is a group seeking power using hope. Only those who truly follow the main idea that Jesus gave us; be good. are truly following the religion. I see Christianity in the past as bunch of monkeys using religion as an excuse to do evil.
It is clear that Jesus came to Earth to show people how nice it is to be good. Everyone misinterpreted it and started calling people on Earth demons and such.

Again, I tell you, I am not a true believer of Christianity. but there are certain ideals involved with it that make me defend it. Not once did I say I blindly believe in something, or claim I am Christian. Forgive me for defending about you insulting me by calling me stupid, but I am not a submissive little bich that will let you say such rude things. It just enforces the fact that you are an ***, and no one can take an *** seriously.

And here's the thing, what is your conception of reality? Anything you can see? Reality is anything you can dream of, feel, or see. Anything that happens in your dreams is actually happening in reality since it is actually affecting the way you live life and like imagination, can be seen as reality since it is still happening in the real world, just in your mind.

On Abortion. It should only be allowed if your raped, otherwise, abortion should be illegal, and placing a kid in adoption is free.

Yes screw those mothers where the life of the mother is at risk or serious medical conditions would render the child messed up badly for life. Yes forget that we can and will be able to detect major medical flaws that cost millions of dollars to taxpayers and force someone to life a life of suffering and pain and (if they are capable even) of just seeing what they can never have or be. Never mind how bad adoption is now if you quintuple or take it up an order of magnitude.

If god didn't want abortions he wouldn't have made miscarriages. God aborts far more babies far longer into pregnancy than humans ever have or will.

I'm not even a fully fledged Christian, my parents have it so yes I go to church maybe once every month, so I feel it as my duty to defend family beliefs.

yes if you believe myth before facts, in the face of demonstratably false claims, then that faith is ignorant and stupid. It is basically the definition. Sorry but have you heard the bad news? It's all a myth.

Fact and morality are conventional in this discussion, since you are telling us about real world facts and calling beliefs stupid. It's like saying love isn't real, and its just the hormones of the body giving you an unearthly feeling. You are completely changing what I said.

it is the hormones that are responsible. It is what makes us feel love. It is immoral but I bet soon we would have the technology to force people to have those feelings or take them away. We are our brains in entirety. If you disbelieve this why not wiggle a little piece of metal in your frontal lobe. After all it's just a tiny part and would only inhibit some minor chemicals and neuronal actions that are just sciency things. If you can even reply let us know how that goes for you.

Are you telling me that only Christians kill people? I'm sorry that I can't make everyone see things the way I do. Basically, I put Christianity into two categories (I have my own little religion, Christianity with my quirks) the liars and the faithful. Many, many, and I really mean many people now a days use Christianity simply to forgive themselves. Criminals in general will usually be found with some link to religion. They do evil things over and over and over and use religion to forgive themselves. Then there's the faithful, who actually follow human rules and community rules.

You mentioned Muslims being primitive morally and using religion as an excuse to commit immoral and heinous acts. I simply pointed out Christians do it as well. And yes in American jails Muslims are 5x more likely Christians slightly more and atheists 10x less than the average population. Look it up yourself it's public data from the federal bureau of prisons.

Religion is a group seeking power using hope. Only those who truly follow the main idea that Jesus gave us; be good. are truly following the religion. I see Christianity in the past as bunch of monkeys using religion as an excuse to do evil.
It is clear that Jesus came to Earth to show people how nice it is to be good. Everyone misinterpreted it and started calling people on Earth demons and such.

And in the future this will be the same thought lol! And demons - straight up demonic possession - is in the bible.

Again, I tell you, I am not a true believer of Christianity. but there are certain ideals involved with it that make me defend it. Not once did I say I blindly believe in something, or claim I am Christian. Forgive me for defending about you insulting me by calling me stupid, but I am not a submissive little bich that will let you say such rude things. It just enforces the fact that you are an ***, and no one can take an *** seriously.

And here's the thing, what is your conception of reality? Anything you can see? Reality is anything you can dream of, feel, or see. Anything that happens in your dreams is actually happening in reality since it is actually affecting the way you live life and like imagination, can be seen as reality since it is still happening in the real world, just in your mind.

Reality is anything that you can measure or quantify objectively about reality. It is the basis for all science and why thermonuclear warheads and the Internet are not opinions. Niether is evolution or the big bang. All can be shown through direct evidence to fit perfectly with no contrary evidence whatsoever. Go ahead insult me personally it changes nothing. In fact I hope you disbelieve reality more and your own ignorance causes your death. That would be good karma.

What you imagine does exist as neural and chemical states in your brain. It is this state that you can experience only so anything you imagine feels as real as it gets. If I imagine I'm superman and can fly it only means when I jump off a building I have 5 seconds to live. Despite it feeling as real as can be.

People are taught from a young age it is ok to have your conception of reality to be way out of sync with how reality actually is. This causes massive societal problems including needless suffering and deaths.

Good for you if you are a facts first and religion in the cracks kind of person. But few can handle this - doubly so when those shrinking cracks force religion from all plausibility.

If an unborn baby is not alive, then why is killing a pregnant woman considered a double homicide?

Also vraelen, whether or not there are other ways that people looked at the Bible was not the question. I know there are. The question was whether those other views are right.

If an unborn baby is not alive, then why is killing a pregnant woman considered a double homicide?

Also vraelen, whether or not there are other ways that people looked at the Bible was not the question. I know there are. The question was whether those other views are right.

Killing a pregnant women would usually have no purpose. There is no reason such as a medical condition or a predictable genectic disorder being passed on, etc. Therefore, we would actually look at the potential of the foetus to become a baby and therefore call it double homicide.

Yes, and I am equating all of those beliefs to the common attributes they all have (or do not have): no solid evidence. They are all correct assuming the bible is valid and all equally incorrect as the bible, or any scripture, is invalid.

If an unborn baby is not alive, then why is killing a pregnant woman considered a double homicide?

Also vraelen, whether or not there are other ways that people looked at the Bible was not the question. I know there are. The question was whether those other views are right.

Because it proceeds gradually from being not alive to alive. There is no exact point. Additionally this is a legal definition not logical or scientific.

If a woman is killed on the way to the hospital to give birth then yes it could be a double homicide possibly. If she was killed hours after being frisky right when the egg was fertilized no one would rule it a double homicide.

There is a big difference between a woman's right to chose and my right to punch her in the stomach and end it for her. The latter should be a serious crime.

No abortions are given for non medical reasons in any case where it could be considered a double homicide or are extremely rare cases in only one or two backward states. So your knee jerk anti-choice argument is a fail.

Here is a list of the state by state details:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fet ... -laws.aspx

The state you live in probably has oral sex or even sex outside of marrige as a criminal act. Laws are stupid and everyone breaks them every day even if you are moral. It is just about impossible not to break some law.

I'm not even a fully fledged Christian, my parents have it so yes I go to church maybe once every month, so I feel it as my duty to defend family beliefs.

yes if you believe myth before facts, in the face of demonstratably false claims, then that faith is ignorant and stupid. It is basically the definition. Sorry but have you heard the bad news? It's all a myth.

Fact and morality are conventional in this discussion, since you are telling us about real world facts and calling beliefs stupid. It's like saying love isn't real, and its just the hormones of the body giving you an unearthly feeling. You are completely changing what I said.

it is the hormones that are responsible. It is what makes us feel love. It is immoral but I bet soon we would have the technology to force people to have those feelings or take them away. We are our brains in entirety. If you disbelieve this why not wiggle a little piece of metal in your frontal lobe. After all it's just a tiny part and would only inhibit some minor chemicals and neuronal actions that are just sciency things. If you can even reply let us know how that goes for you.

Are you telling me that only Christians kill people? I'm sorry that I can't make everyone see things the way I do. Basically, I put Christianity into two categories (I have my own little religion, Christianity with my quirks) the liars and the faithful. Many, many, and I really mean many people now a days use Christianity simply to forgive themselves. Criminals in general will usually be found with some link to religion. They do evil things over and over and over and use religion to forgive themselves. Then there's the faithful, who actually follow human rules and community rules.

You mentioned Muslims being primitive morally and using religion as an excuse to commit immoral and heinous acts. I simply pointed out Christians do it as well. And yes in American jails Muslims are 5x more likely Christians slightly more and atheists 10x less than the average population. Look it up yourself it's public data from the federal bureau of prisons.

Religion is a group seeking power using hope. Only those who truly follow the main idea that Jesus gave us; be good. are truly following the religion. I see Christianity in the past as bunch of monkeys using religion as an excuse to do evil.
It is clear that Jesus came to Earth to show people how nice it is to be good. Everyone misinterpreted it and started calling people on Earth demons and such.

And in the future this will be the same thought lol! And demons - straight up demonic possession - is in the bible.

Again, I tell you, I am not a true believer of Christianity. but there are certain ideals involved with it that make me defend it. Not once did I say I blindly believe in something, or claim I am Christian. Forgive me for defending about you insulting me by calling me stupid, but I am not a submissive little bich that will let you say such rude things. It just enforces the fact that you are an ***, and no one can take an *** seriously.

And here's the thing, what is your conception of reality? Anything you can see? Reality is anything you can dream of, feel, or see. Anything that happens in your dreams is actually happening in reality since it is actually affecting the way you live life and like imagination, can be seen as reality since it is still happening in the real world, just in your mind.

Reality is anything that you can measure or quantify objectively about reality. It is the basis for all science and why thermonuclear warheads and the Internet are not opinions. Niether is evolution or the big bang. All can be shown through direct evidence to fit perfectly with no contrary evidence whatsoever. Go ahead insult me personally it changes nothing. In fact I hope you disbelieve reality more and your own ignorance causes your death. That would be good karma.

What you imagine does exist as neural and chemical states in your brain. It is this state that you can experience only so anything you imagine feels as real as it gets. If I imagine I'm superman and can fly it only means when I jump off a building I have 5 seconds to live. Despite it feeling as real as can be.

People are taught from a young age it is ok to have your conception of reality to be way out of sync with how reality actually is. This causes massive societal problems including needless suffering and deaths.

Good for you if you are a facts first and religion in the cracks kind of person. But few can handle this - doubly so when those shrinking cracks force religion from all plausibility.

Look, I just wanted to have a friendly discussion, but telling me that you hope my ignorance kills me is out of hand. Isn't karma not reality in your way of seeing things? It is not measurable, and only a belief summoned from Buddhism.

I do indeed like to live my lifestyle with religion and science mixed. I don't believe any of that man was the first being stuff. God created the big bang, that's what I believe.

I am assuming you have some connection with science in depth more than others do. It is odd, because three of my science teachers in three different schools in three different countries in opposite ends in the world all believe strongly in religion. One of them went to church every week and actually hosted a christian gathering for the international school. My current teacher has long blond hair, very long, wears white robes, goes to India to meditate, admires Jesus, and believes in Buddhist beliefs. He thinks we are all god split into one, and that everything we see is an illusion, and all that ever was or ever will be is our conscious. Which makes a little bit of sense. This guy is inevitably a genius too, he knows every topic there is and teaches 6,7,8 and 12 graders. Yet even knowing all the facts, he still believes in religion. I thought I would just throw that out there, since its pretty fantastic.

On Abortion. It should only be allowed if your raped, otherwise, abortion should be illegal, and placing a kid in adoption is free.

While that works in theory it doesn't work it practicality, because people could just cry rape for an unwanted kid. Its happened before now when abortions are legal, also if the mother is in serious risk it only makes sense to have the child aborted