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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#741
On Abortion. It should only be allowed if your raped, otherwise, abortion should be illegal, and placing a kid in adoption is free.
While that works in theory it doesn't work it practicality, because people could just cry rape for an unwanted kid. Its happened before now when abortions are legal, also if the mother is in serious risk it only makes sense to have the child aborted
The thing about abortion is that its your fault you had a child when you were in a bad state. A life shouldn't be taken in result of your lack of responsibility.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#742
On Abortion. It should only be allowed if your raped, otherwise, abortion should be illegal, and placing a kid in adoption is free.
While that works in theory it doesn't work it practicality, because people could just cry rape for an unwanted kid. Its happened before now when abortions are legal, also if the mother is in serious risk it only makes sense to have the child aborted
The thing about abortion is that its your fault you had a child when you were in a bad state. A life shouldn't be taken in result of your lack of responsibility.
So you are now blaming the rape victim? Christian morality ftw

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#743
On Abortion. It should only be allowed if your raped, otherwise, abortion should be illegal, and placing a kid in adoption is free.
While that works in theory it doesn't work it practicality, because people could just cry rape for an unwanted kid. Its happened before now when abortions are legal, also if the mother is in serious risk it only makes sense to have the child aborted
The thing about abortion is that its your fault you had a child when you were in a bad state. A life shouldn't be taken in result of your lack of responsibility.
Also its not "in a bad state" by serious risk to the mother we mean the mother probs won't come out of it alive due to blood loss, infection, etc. and if the person having the child is under the age of 25 it is impossible for them to realize the long term as their brains are not fully developed yet, also, im not sure about america, but over here in the UK we dont hand out abortions on demand, there is specific criteria, which is things such as risk to the mother, if the child will be born with several disabilities and so on. And another thing, I love how you dont mention the man, it takes two to tango (you know what I mean, im keeping this PG) and finally, its not taking a life, you don't get a cure for cancer and then cry that the cancer has died, its the same deal with foetuses, they aren't alive, they dont have consciousness until about 6/7 months, which (again idk about america) is beyond the cut off point for abortions. Edit: various spelling mistakes

Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Also its not "in a bad state" by serious risk to the mother we mean the mother probs won't come out of it alive due to blood loss, infection, etc. and if the person having the child is under the age of 25 it is impossible for them to realize the long term as their brains are not fully developed yet, also, im not sure about america, but over here in the UK we dont hand out abortions on demand, there is specific criteria, which is things such as risk to the mother, if the child will be born with several disabilities and so on. And another thing, I love how you dont mention the man, it takes two to tango (you know what I mean, im keeping this PG) and finally, its not taking a life, you don't get a cure for cancer and then cry that the cancer has died, its the same deal with foetuses, they aren't alive, they dont have consciousness until about 6/7 months, which (again idk about america) is beyond the cut off point for abortions. Edit: various spelling mistakes
Ok, first of all, if its rape, obviously it isn't that persons fault. However, the majority of the time is is not because of rape, but because you were under the influence.

As for your second post, you say nothing in relation to what I said. Maybe they are having abortions yes, but they are the ones that put themselves at risk unless they were raped. Like I said, it is your fault if you have a baby that you can not, or don't want to support, unless its rape.

We all know a pretty girl walking in the streets with really short jeans isn't safe. Think ahead, remind yourself of all the warnings you see and do not try to seem like a prey to rapists. Go in groups, take the bus, go with your boy friend, anything that involves another person in sight, and you already have a99% chance of not being raped.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#745

I'm not even a fully fledged Christian, my parents have it so yes I go to church maybe once every month, so I feel it as my duty to defend family beliefs.
yes if you believe myth before facts, in the face of demonstratably false claims, then that faith is ignorant and stupid. It is basically the definition. Sorry but have you heard the bad news? It's all a myth.

Fact and morality are conventional in this discussion, since you are telling us about real world facts and calling beliefs stupid. It's like saying love isn't real, and its just the hormones of the body giving you an unearthly feeling. You are completely changing what I said.
it is the hormones that are responsible. It is what makes us feel love. It is immoral but I bet soon we would have the technology to force people to have those feelings or take them away. We are our brains in entirety. If you disbelieve this why not wiggle a little piece of metal in your frontal lobe. After all it's just a tiny part and would only inhibit some minor chemicals and neuronal actions that are just sciency things. If you can even reply let us know how that goes for you.

Are you telling me that only Christians kill people? I'm sorry that I can't make everyone see things the way I do. Basically, I put Christianity into two categories (I have my own little religion, Christianity with my quirks) the liars and the faithful. Many, many, and I really mean many people now a days use Christianity simply to forgive themselves. Criminals in general will usually be found with some link to religion. They do evil things over and over and over and use religion to forgive themselves. Then there's the faithful, who actually follow human rules and community rules.

You mentioned Muslims being primitive morally and using religion as an excuse to commit immoral and heinous acts. I simply pointed out Christians do it as well. And yes in American jails Muslims are 5x more likely Christians slightly more and atheists 10x less than the average population. Look it up yourself it's public data from the federal bureau of prisons.

Religion is a group seeking power using hope. Only those who truly follow the main idea that Jesus gave us; be good. are truly following the religion. I see Christianity in the past as bunch of monkeys using religion as an excuse to do evil.
It is clear that Jesus came to Earth to show people how nice it is to be good. Everyone misinterpreted it and started calling people on Earth demons and such.
And in the future this will be the same thought lol! And demons - straight up demonic possession - is in the bible.

Again, I tell you, I am not a true believer of Christianity. but there are certain ideals involved with it that make me defend it. Not once did I say I blindly believe in something, or claim I am Christian. Forgive me for defending about you insulting me by calling me stupid, but I am not a submissive little bich that will let you say such rude things. It just enforces the fact that you are an ***, and no one can take an *** seriously.

And here's the thing, what is your conception of reality? Anything you can see? Reality is anything you can dream of, feel, or see. Anything that happens in your dreams is actually happening in reality since it is actually affecting the way you live life and like imagination, can be seen as reality since it is still happening in the real world, just in your mind.
Reality is anything that you can measure or quantify objectively about reality. It is the basis for all science and why thermonuclear warheads and the Internet are not opinions. Niether is evolution or the big bang. All can be shown through direct evidence to fit perfectly with no contrary evidence whatsoever. Go ahead insult me personally it changes nothing. In fact I hope you disbelieve reality more and your own ignorance causes your death. That would be good karma.

What you imagine does exist as neural and chemical states in your brain. It is this state that you can experience only so anything you imagine feels as real as it gets. If I imagine I'm superman and can fly it only means when I jump off a building I have 5 seconds to live. Despite it feeling as real as can be.

People are taught from a young age it is ok to have your conception of reality to be way out of sync with how reality actually is. This causes massive societal problems including needless suffering and deaths.

Good for you if you are a facts first and religion in the cracks kind of person. But few can handle this - doubly so when those shrinking cracks force religion from all plausibility.
Look, I just wanted to have a friendly discussion, but telling me that you hope my ignorance kills me is out of hand. Isn't karma not reality in your way of seeing things? It is not measurable, and only a belief summoned from Buddhism.

I do indeed like to live my lifestyle with religion and science mixed. I don't believe any of that man was the first being stuff. God created the big bang, that's what I believe.

I am assuming you have some connection with science in depth more than others do. It is odd, because three of my science teachers in three different schools in three different countries in opposite ends in the world all believe strongly in religion. One of them went to church every week and actually hosted a christian gathering for the international school. My current teacher has long blond hair, very long, wears white robes, goes to India to meditate, admires Jesus, and believes in Buddhist beliefs. He thinks we are all god split into one, and that everything we see is an illusion, and all that ever was or ever will be is our conscious. Which makes a little bit of sense. This guy is inevitably a genius too, he knows every topic there is and teaches 6,7,8 and 12 graders. Yet even knowing all the facts, he still believes in religion. I thought I would just throw that out there, since its pretty fantastic.
Calling me an *** is out of hand when I only stated simple facts. It's just a fact if you believe in things shown to be false than that is ignorant and stupid. Go ahead shoot the messenger.

And yes for people who can't accept reality I don't feel too bad when reality catches up with them.

Even if a god was real your belief changes nothng about reality. As if god has to be exactly as you wish. If god was real the exact reverse would be true no matter how horrible, immoral or just plain wrong.

Science does not come from authority. And yes many science teachers claim to be religious because they will be fired if they aren't. In the USA 1/6 schools teaches Christian religion in place of science in the classroom. If you are in the ignorant belt area it is far higher. If I was poor and depended on a 30k a year job for income or I'd starve I'd say I believe too to keep my job.

Again what anyone "believes" changes nothng and is just plain stupid to use an argument from authority about the reality of demonstratably false claims.

You realize that by picking what parts of the bible and dogma to believe in you are extremely arrogant right? I mean that god idiot says useless crap I ignore as some obtuse allegory while I know what is more right!!!!

Just throw it all out it is useless outdated crap and false hope and not understanding reality does far more harm than good.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#746
Also its not "in a bad state" by serious risk to the mother we mean the mother probs won't come out of it alive due to blood loss, infection, etc. and if the person having the child is under the age of 25 it is impossible for them to realize the long term as their brains are not fully developed yet, also, im not sure about america, but over here in the UK we dont hand out abortions on demand, there is specific criteria, which is things such as risk to the mother, if the child will be born with several disabilities and so on. And another thing, I love how you dont mention the man, it takes two to tango (you know what I mean, im keeping this PG) and finally, its not taking a life, you don't get a cure for cancer and then cry that the cancer has died, its the same deal with foetuses, they aren't alive, they dont have consciousness until about 6/7 months, which (again idk about america) is beyond the cut off point for abortions. Edit: various spelling mistakes
Ok, first of all, if its rape, obviously it isn't that persons fault. However, the majority of the time is is not because of rape, but because you were under the influence.

As for your second post, you say nothing in relation to what I said. Maybe they are having abortions yes, but they are the ones that put themselves at risk unless they were raped. Like I said, it is your fault if you have a baby that you can not, or don't want to support, unless its rape.

We all know a pretty girl walking in the streets with really short jeans isn't safe. Think ahead, remind yourself of all the warnings you see and do not try to seem like a prey to rapists. Go in groups, take the bus, go with your boy friend, anything that involves another person in sight, and you already have a99% chance of not being raped.
Wow! You are so ignorant with a simple minded view of reality it is truly amazing. You realize your comments are highly offensive to women and highly bigoted right? Or not? Hilarious!

Try this link and read up. http://rwu.edu/campus-life/health-couns ... hs-and-fac

Saying "attractive" "dressed up" women are "asking for it" and saying that you can be 99% safe in groups is extremely stupid. Most rapes ARE by the boyfriend over a stranger lmao. 78% are a familiar person.

The overwhelming majority of rape victims are not intoxicated at the time.

Then again religious people wear ignorance (faith) as a badge of honor and don't mind forcefully pushing the issue despite not standing in any firm ground. Stereotypes broken = 0
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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I understand if its a serious risk to the mother or child, but abort simply because you dont want it? Placing for adoption IS free.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#748

I'm not even a fully fledged Christian, my parents have it so yes I go to church maybe once every month, so I feel it as my duty to defend family beliefs.
yes if you believe myth before facts, in the face of demonstratably false claims, then that faith is ignorant and stupid. It is basically the definition. Sorry but have you heard the bad news? It's all a myth.

Fact and morality are conventional in this discussion, since you are telling us about real world facts and calling beliefs stupid. It's like saying love isn't real, and its just the hormones of the body giving you an unearthly feeling. You are completely changing what I said.
it is the hormones that are responsible. It is what makes us feel love. It is immoral but I bet soon we would have the technology to force people to have those feelings or take them away. We are our brains in entirety. If you disbelieve this why not wiggle a little piece of metal in your frontal lobe. After all it's just a tiny part and would only inhibit some minor chemicals and neuronal actions that are just sciency things. If you can even reply let us know how that goes for you.

Are you telling me that only Christians kill people? I'm sorry that I can't make everyone see things the way I do. Basically, I put Christianity into two categories (I have my own little religion, Christianity with my quirks) the liars and the faithful. Many, many, and I really mean many people now a days use Christianity simply to forgive themselves. Criminals in general will usually be found with some link to religion. They do evil things over and over and over and use religion to forgive themselves. Then there's the faithful, who actually follow human rules and community rules.

You mentioned Muslims being primitive morally and using religion as an excuse to commit immoral and heinous acts. I simply pointed out Christians do it as well. And yes in American jails Muslims are 5x more likely Christians slightly more and atheists 10x less than the average population. Look it up yourself it's public data from the federal bureau of prisons.

Religion is a group seeking power using hope. Only those who truly follow the main idea that Jesus gave us; be good. are truly following the religion. I see Christianity in the past as bunch of monkeys using religion as an excuse to do evil.
It is clear that Jesus came to Earth to show people how nice it is to be good. Everyone misinterpreted it and started calling people on Earth demons and such.
And in the future this will be the same thought lol! And demons - straight up demonic possession - is in the bible.

Again, I tell you, I am not a true believer of Christianity. but there are certain ideals involved with it that make me defend it. Not once did I say I blindly believe in something, or claim I am Christian. Forgive me for defending about you insulting me by calling me stupid, but I am not a submissive little bich that will let you say such rude things. It just enforces the fact that you are an ***, and no one can take an *** seriously.

And here's the thing, what is your conception of reality? Anything you can see? Reality is anything you can dream of, feel, or see. Anything that happens in your dreams is actually happening in reality since it is actually affecting the way you live life and like imagination, can be seen as reality since it is still happening in the real world, just in your mind.
Reality is anything that you can measure or quantify objectively about reality. It is the basis for all science and why thermonuclear warheads and the Internet are not opinions. Niether is evolution or the big bang. All can be shown through direct evidence to fit perfectly with no contrary evidence whatsoever. Go ahead insult me personally it changes nothing. In fact I hope you disbelieve reality more and your own ignorance causes your death. That would be good karma.

What you imagine does exist as neural and chemical states in your brain. It is this state that you can experience only so anything you imagine feels as real as it gets. If I imagine I'm superman and can fly it only means when I jump off a building I have 5 seconds to live. Despite it feeling as real as can be.

People are taught from a young age it is ok to have your conception of reality to be way out of sync with how reality actually is. This causes massive societal problems including needless suffering and deaths.

Good for you if you are a facts first and religion in the cracks kind of person. But few can handle this - doubly so when those shrinking cracks force religion from all plausibility.
Look, I just wanted to have a friendly discussion, but telling me that you hope my ignorance kills me is out of hand. Isn't karma not reality in your way of seeing things? It is not measurable, and only a belief summoned from Buddhism.

I do indeed like to live my lifestyle with religion and science mixed. I don't believe any of that man was the first being stuff. God created the big bang, that's what I believe.

I am assuming you have some connection with science in depth more than others do. It is odd, because three of my science teachers in three different schools in three different countries in opposite ends in the world all believe strongly in religion. One of them went to church every week and actually hosted a christian gathering for the international school. My current teacher has long blond hair, very long, wears white robes, goes to India to meditate, admires Jesus, and believes in Buddhist beliefs. He thinks we are all god split into one, and that everything we see is an illusion, and all that ever was or ever will be is our conscious. Which makes a little bit of sense. This guy is inevitably a genius too, he knows every topic there is and teaches 6,7,8 and 12 graders. Yet even knowing all the facts, he still believes in religion. I thought I would just throw that out there, since its pretty fantastic.
What type of science teacher? Based on the simple description of "science teacher" rather than "biology or chemistry teacher," I will assume it is just your basic science class and if you were selective enough, the school in which your science teacher teaches probably has a highly censored science curricula or the location of your school is probably a religious area.

If God created the Big Bang, what created God? We can not prove the existence of any god. At this point you may argue that the idea of the Big Bang occurring randomly poses the same dilemma, however, scientists admit to not knowing. We have sufficient evidence to prove that the Big Bang occurred and no evidence that any force, be it divine or natural, caused it. Therefore, we can only conclude that it just happened until more evidence presents itself.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

#749
I understand if its a serious risk to the mother or child, but abort simply because you dont want it? Placing for adoption IS free.
There is a certain period where the foetus is nothing: No activity of neurones, no movement of fluid, nothing that would indicate life other than what we could say is rapid growth, almost like cancer. I agree that people should not abuse such technology in repetitive bouts of irresponsibility but at the same time, why put a child through the hardship of growing up alone and isolated in an orphanage? To be looked at and picked almost like dogs. Then they may or may not be chosen to go into a good family and numerous other problems.

I will also bring in my cold logic and say we need to actually think about overpopulation as a problem. Our society is not developed enough to deal with such a growth rate of people. I can go on and on about our under developed society but that would be too much to write.
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Re: A Discussion About Religion: The [Threequel]

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Also its not "in a bad state" by serious risk to the mother we mean the mother probs won't come out of it alive due to blood loss, infection, etc. and if the person having the child is under the age of 25 it is impossible for them to realize the long term as their brains are not fully developed yet, also, im not sure about america, but over here in the UK we dont hand out abortions on demand, there is specific criteria, which is things such as risk to the mother, if the child will be born with several disabilities and so on. And another thing, I love how you dont mention the man, it takes two to tango (you know what I mean, im keeping this PG) and finally, its not taking a life, you don't get a cure for cancer and then cry that the cancer has died, its the same deal with foetuses, they aren't alive, they dont have consciousness until about 6/7 months, which (again idk about america) is beyond the cut off point for abortions. Edit: various spelling mistakes
Ok, first of all, if its rape, obviously it isn't that persons fault. However, the majority of the time is is not because of rape, but because you were under the influence.

As for your second post, you say nothing in relation to what I said. Maybe they are having abortions yes, but they are the ones that put themselves at risk unless they were raped. Like I said, it is your fault if you have a baby that you can not, or don't want to support, unless its rape.

We all know a pretty girl walking in the streets with really short jeans isn't safe. Think ahead, remind yourself of all the warnings you see and do not try to seem like a prey to rapists. Go in groups, take the bus, go with your boy friend, anything that involves another person in sight, and you already have a99% chance of not being raped.
Wow! You are so ignorant with a simple minded view of reality it is truly amazing. You realize your comments are highly offensive to women and highly bigoted right? Or not? Hilarious!

Try this link and read up. http://rwu.edu/campus-life/health-couns ... hs-and-fac

Saying "attractive" "dressed up" women are "asking for it" and saying that you can be 99% safe in groups is extremely stupid. Most rapes ARE by the boyfriend over a stranger lmao. 78% are a familiar person.

The overwhelming majority of rape victims are not intoxicated at the time.

Then again religious people wear ignorance (faith) as a badge of honor and don't mind forcefully pushing the issue despite not standing in any firm ground. Stereotypes broken = 0
Wait, when did I say the ones who were raped in particular were the ones under the influence. I was actually telling you that the majority of the time it isn't rape, from what I understand. I wasn't saying anything about rape, just the fact that it is not the persons fault when they are raped. And isn't it still your fault for trusting and being in a relationship with a person who even thinks about raping you?

These opinions were based on where I live nonetheless. Venezuela, where there is in fact lots of rape situations.

Itso-facto, the teachers I was speaking about all worked in an international school, of which the average pay per one student to attend is fifteen thousand dollars. So I think its safe to say they earn more than 30,000 per year when there is 600 students in middle school with about 1/5 the amount of teachers. And since they teach physics, health, chemistry and astronomy, I think they do get payed more than other teachers do, as they teach one of the 4 main classes which are math, science, reading, English.

For the last time, I am not in the right position to be called a Christian. Call me stupid, retarded, whatever you want, I don't care what a stranger has to say about me, especially you, who thinks '***' and 'hope you die' are in the same league. Just don't blame the Christian religion for my stupidity.
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