Celtic Heroes

This discussion has come to the point where both sides will not change their view. Atheists will continue to misinterpret data and observations to fit into their wants and needs. Therefore, I will no longer continue show how atheism does not hold itself up. I have presented the evidence and you choose not to believe it or even consider it because someone who is "religious" believes it. As a matter of fact, you yourself are just as "religious" as I am. Your "religion" is atheism. You believe everything came from natural processes without divine intervention. Whether you except it or not it is the truth. Now I have seen multiple posts say "there is no evidence for God", and I would like you to give me an example in the Bible where there is no evidence. Not just a story that happened. An event that the Bible records as truth that you believe there is no evidence for. And after you do that, I will present evidence. You have the choice to believe the evidence or not, but it will be true.

I was a Catholic and a Christian (perhaps at the same time and separately) and I changed to an agnostic/atheist viewpoint.

Lol, how do atheists misinterpret data and observations to fit wants and needs? That is exactly what most religious groups do. We do not want there to be a Big Bang or black hole. We see evidence and we create a theory to fit that evidence. The same majority of scientists that bring you technology have gathered data that would seem to support such ideas.

I do not believe that everything came from natural processes as there are still many things we do not know. I think it is most probable but not certain. However, it is far less probable that any one religion could provide the answers that we seek.

I already stated that the bible or any other scripture is not valid evidence. Not only is it one source but you would have to contend with every other religious scripture which is not probable at all.

The burden of proof lies on the plaintiff. We can not immediately detect any divine being, however, we can measure the stellar movement as well as any group of astronomical objects and determine a point of origin. You already know about the existence of observations and data (perhaps not extensive) that support the Big Bang and every other idea that religon would seem to conflict with. I do not know of any such collection of data and ideas that support the bible (or any such scripture) without simply quoting it and analysing it as if it were proven.

Just to be clear here, I said give me an event from the Bible (the Flood for example) and I will provide physical evidence from what we see today that supports the event.

And this is my last point against atheism. You said it is much more probable for everything to come about from natural processes. Astrophysicist Hugh Ross has calculated that there are 122 constants that without which, there would be no life on Earth (i.e. the perfect axil tilt, water vapor levels, time of rotation). For all 122 of these constants to be true, the odds are 1 in 1 x 10^138. Thats an impossible number! and the odds of there being a religion that is correct is supposably less than this.

And also, there are plenty of famous and respectable scientists who have found evidence that supports an intellegient design. Francis Crick, codiscoverer of DNA, (and who was also an evolutionist) stated, "biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved." Meaning the evidence is pointing towards a design, but people misinterpret it.

This discussion has come to the point where both sides will not change their view. Atheists will continue to misinterpret data and observations to fit into their wants and needs. Therefore, I will no longer continue show how atheism does not hold itself up. I have presented the evidence and you choose not to believe it or even consider it because someone who is "religious" believes it. As a matter of fact, you yourself are just as "religious" as I am. Your "religion" is atheism. You believe everything came from natural processes without divine intervention. Whether you except it or not it is the truth. Now I have seen multiple posts say "there is no evidence for God", and I would like you to give me an example in the Bible where there is no evidence. Not just a story that happened. An event that the Bible records as truth that you believe there is no evidence for. And after you do that, I will present evidence. You have the choice to believe the evidence or not, but it will be true.

I was a Catholic and a Christian (perhaps at the same time and separately) and I changed to an agnostic/atheist viewpoint.

Lol, how do atheists misinterpret data and observations to fit wants and needs? That is exactly what most religious groups do. We do not want there to be a Big Bang or black hole. We see evidence and we create a theory to fit that evidence. The same majority of scientists that bring you technology have gathered data that would seem to support such ideas.

I do not believe that everything came from natural processes as there are still many things we do not know. I think it is most probable but not certain. However, it is far less probable that any one religion could provide the answers that we seek.

I already stated that the bible or any other scripture is not valid evidence. Not only is it one source but you would have to contend with every other religious scripture which is not probable at all.

The burden of proof lies on the plaintiff. We can not immediately detect any divine being, however, we can measure the stellar movement as well as any group of astronomical objects and determine a point of origin. You already know about the existence of observations and data (perhaps not extensive) that support the Big Bang and every other idea that religon would seem to conflict with. I do not know of any such collection of data and ideas that support the bible (or any such scripture) without simply quoting it and analysing it as if it were proven.

Just to be clear here, I said give me an event from the Bible (the Flood for example) and I will provide physical evidence from what we see today that supports the event.

And this is my last point against atheism. You said it is much more probable for everything to come about from natural processes. Astrophysicist Hugh Ross has calculated that there are 122 constants that without which, there would be no life on Earth (i.e. the perfect axil tilt, water vapor levels, time of rotation). For all 122 of these constants to be true, the odds are 1 in 1 x 10^138. Thats an impossible number! and the odds of there being a religion that is correct is supposably less than this.

And also, there are plenty of famous and respectable scientists who have found evidence that supports an intellegient design. Francis Crick, codiscoverer of DNA, (and who was also an evolutionist) stated, "biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved." Meaning the evidence is pointing towards a design, but people misinterpret it.

Factual information is not dictated down from authority like religion. It dosent matter who says what it matters what repeatable experimentation can reveal. 3/4 of the earth is covered in water and the vast volume it contains is mostly molten rock. Yet of the billions of humans that have ever lived none I MEAN NONE AT ALL have lived underwater or in the molten interior!!! God must be the cause because from a volumetric perspective the odds are quadrijillionz to one that all of them would be on the surface. It makes no sense at all!!! Jesus Christ as believed by eastern orthodox Christians is there for the savior of all mankind!!!!1!1!1!!!!!

Lol. That argument is almost as flawed as the Christian church itself. Its called the anthropic principle. Then again i think you are beyond hope.

There is no evidence of a world flood that is absolutely hilarious!! Lmafo!

Fossils on mountains are caused by tectonic movement of the plates and are actually millions of years older than your creation myth. There are trees older than the flood myth you can count the rings lmao. Not to mention that all the animals would not fit on an arc nor the fact that genetic evaluation of animals disproves they ever had a breeding population of 2 or 8 (depending on if they were clean). Moreover the arc itself couldn't be built as described as it isn't structurally sound nor would have time to traverse the planet and pick up all the penguins and polar bears. Further all salt water species would have gone extinct because they can't tolerate fresh water (or the reverse if it was a salt water flood or nearly all marine life if the water was brackish).

It is just stupid on a stick to say there was a world flood. Beyond stupid to the "lock him up so he can't hurt himself of others" kind of insane.

Lmao but go ahead I want to hear you employ logic more tortured than Martha stewart at a gwar concert.

Also gandy your god has to threaten people into obedience, sounds like a dictatorship to me, god is kim jong un and you are the slaves working for nothing with false hope of your "Dear Leader".all you Christians want atheists out of america but if we were to leave america would be screwed. America would lose over 10% of its population, but under 0.25% of its criminals, along with many scientists and entrepreneurs. Average IQ would plummet, economy would all be taking hits because of this. Starvation will eventually set in, then famine, then cannibalism, this would take about 100 years to happen, max. Your welcome for saving your life and country.

I never said anything about God being a dictator. God gives us the choice to follow Him or not. If you follow Him then you will get to live in Heaven for eternity. If you choose not to follow Him then you will get to live in Hell for eternity. He is not forcing us to choose either one. Also, I never said anything about me wanting atheists out of America. You are trying to bash Christians to make you feel better. Please do not try to change the subject because you are just falling into the same adjectives that you describe me with. I never said anything about your character or person, yet you feel the need to do so to me. I would apreciate it if you did not do that. Thank you.

Im sure kim jong un gives the people a choice, did you know kim jong un had an election every 5 years? He was the only one on the ballet and there was 99% turnout, its not a choice, merely the illusion of choice.

This discussion has come to the point where both sides will not change their view. Atheists will continue to misinterpret data and observations to fit into their wants and needs. Therefore, I will no longer continue show how atheism does not hold itself up. I have presented the evidence and you choose not to believe it or even consider it because someone who is "religious" believes it. As a matter of fact, you yourself are just as "religious" as I am. Your "religion" is atheism. You believe everything came from natural processes without divine intervention. Whether you except it or not it is the truth. Now I have seen multiple posts say "there is no evidence for God", and I would like you to give me an example in the Bible where there is no evidence. Not just a story that happened. An event that the Bible records as truth that you believe there is no evidence for. And after you do that, I will present evidence. You have the choice to believe the evidence or not, but it will be true.

Right, atheism is a religion in itself. It gives you (A) set of morals like pigman says, has a power larger than anything in the universe: energy. As well as groups of people working for higher power, if that's how you put it for other religions. We are "unintelligent" apparently you want the world to be atheist and be intelligent in doing so; become a super power.

I believe in Christ and God because it has the most evidence of all religions I have encountered, and it also has faith in it and humane ways. It may not have all the answers, but more than others for sure.

Im sure killing gays and oppressing women is very humane...

This discussion has come to the point where both sides will not change their view. Atheists will continue to misinterpret data and observations to fit into their wants and needs. Therefore, I will no longer continue show how atheism does not hold itself up. I have presented the evidence and you choose not to believe it or even consider it because someone who is "religious" believes it. As a matter of fact, you yourself are just as "religious" as I am. Your "religion" is atheism. You believe everything came from natural processes without divine intervention. Whether you except it or not it is the truth. Now I have seen multiple posts say "there is no evidence for God", and I would like you to give me an example in the Bible where there is no evidence. Not just a story that happened. An event that the Bible records as truth that you believe there is no evidence for. And after you do that, I will present evidence. You have the choice to believe the evidence or not, but it will be true.

Right, atheism is a religion in itself. It gives you (A) set of morals like pigman says, has a power larger than anything in the universe: energy. As well as groups of people working for higher power, if that's how you put it for other religions. We are "unintelligent" apparently you want the world to be atheist and be intelligent in doing so; become a super power.

I believe in Christ and God because it has the most evidence of all religions I have encountered, and it also has faith in it and humane ways. It may not have all the answers, but more than others for sure.

Im sure killing gays and oppressing women is very humane...

Again, this was in the past. I can sleep at night because I know that at least I did not do anything of the sort.

Gandy turning water into wine, or turning a few slices of bread into loads of bread, prove that those happened.

Just to be clear here, I said give me an event from the Bible (the Flood for example) and I will provide physical evidence from what we see today that supports the event.

Ok, give me evidence for the flood.

And this is my last point against atheism. You said it is much more probable for everything to come about from natural processes. Astrophysicist Hugh Ross has calculated that there are 122 constants that without which, there would be no life on Earth (i.e. the perfect axil tilt, water vapor levels, time of rotation). For all 122 of these constants to be true, the odds are 1 in 1 x 10^138. Thats an impossible number! and the odds of there being a religion that is correct is supposably less than this.

Yes, the probability that our Earth was formed in this exact way is incredibly low. That is why we do not see many planets that could support life, if any at all. However, when compared to any religion, which provides no evidence or quantifiable data, then the probability that the Earth and everything we know being created by natural processes is far greater.

And also, there are plenty of famous and respectable scientists who have found evidence that supports an intellegient design. Francis Crick, codiscoverer of DNA, (and who was also an evolutionist) stated, "biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved." Meaning the evidence is pointing towards a design, but people misinterpret it.

How does that quote point to design?

Also there is no proof for the flood, we have conclusive proof due to mitochondrial tracking that the population was never down as low as 2 or 8. Also, what stopped the lions from eating the zebras on Noah's arc, it would have to have been a MASSIVE arc to carry 2 whales, because whales are animals and the bible states 2 of every animal entered the arc. And another point, Moses couldnt have happened either, in the original bible it was 100 yrs after the flood that Moses had his 5 minutes of fame, so 8 people suddenly turned into 100 000+ in about 100 years, pretty sure thats not possible

Gandy that quote points to evolution, not intelligent design, you just brought up evidence against yourself, good job einstein.

Also there is no proof for the flood, we have conclusive proof due to mitochondrial tracking that the population was never down as low as 2 or 8. Also, what stopped the lions from eating the zebras on Noah's arc, it would have to have been a MASSIVE arc to carry 2 whales, because whales are animals and the bible states 2 of every animal entered the arc. And another point, Moses couldnt have happened either, in the original bible it was 100 yrs after the flood that Moses had his 5 minutes of fame, so 8 people suddenly turned into 100 000+ in about 100 years, pretty sure thats not possible

Go look at the Bible and look at all the generations between Noah and Moses. It wasnt only 100 years.