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Re: Question for Athiests

#91
You are applying the interpretation of evidence the wrong way. For example, There are marine fossils in the himalayas. Christians explain this with the Flood. Atheists explain this with tectonic plate movement. We both have the same evidence, but our interpretation is different. Why can't my opinion of the Flood carrying the marine life up there work? And you cannot say because you plate movement theory has been proven because it has not! You are basing you claim on observations you see today, and making assumptions. There is absolutely no evidence that the Himalayas were underwater. And unless someone was there to witness it, you have no proof. You see the plates moving against each other today, and assume that the they must have moved drastically in the past. If evolutionis true, then we certainly wouldve found an abundance of fossils of animals that are hybrids. Meaning we wouldve found fossils of ape/humanoid creatures already and found them in abundance!
We dont have fossils in abundance, we have about 5 fossils of "the missing link" the most well preserved being Lucy. And the reason we dont have lots of fossils is the same reason we dont have lots of dinosaur fossils, it is incredibly rare to get a well formed fossil.

Re: Question for Athiests

#92
Ok so I have been researching and have seen a question that athiests seem to never be able to answer. If there is an athiest out there that has an answer to this question I would love to hear it. Here is the question: If there is no God, then where did morality come from?
Can we get back on THIS topic please? Thanks.

Re: Question for Athiests

#93
Btw gandy there are religions older than your religion would have us believe the universe is. So either noah was a Hindu or the floods couldnt have happened, and how do you know morality didnt come from one of those older religions, its called faith for a reason, you justify what your book says as faith, we justify what we know as evidence

Re: Question for Athiests

#94
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 8547583521

what is this a picture of?

And again I ask you, without using evolution and plate movement as your basis, because you cannot be sure of this because no one was there to witness it, why can't a worldwide flood happen?

And you still didn't answer the question. Why haven't we found fossils of half human half apes? If evolution is true then there must be plenty of fossils to go around.
Lmafo. You are hilariously ignorant. Physics works even if someone isn't around to witness it. What you going to argue that since no one actually witnesses the electrons and photons used to communicate your posts we don't know If they are real? Trying to say reality is dependent on being witnessed is insanely stuipd, implies a low intelligence and furthermore is demonstratably false. Eyewitnesses are the absolute worst kind of evidence the legal systems of the world are based on this it is a fact. Repeatable experimentation is the most reliable. How about without using your myth book as "evidence" you try and prove your case. Lmafo.

Even a child can see that there isn't enough water on the planet for a "world wide flood". Saying it magically appeared then disappeared is a sign you need to be under supervision and on meds.

There are plenty of part humans part "apes" as you are one of them. Lmao. Take a look in the mirror if you need "proof".

And there are many species that can interbreed just look it up. Humans and most other hominids, all that exist today, have become too different from thier common ancestor to have viable offspring. Then again I don't expect you understand even grade school topics.


I suggest you actually try learning instead of wearing your ignorance in reality as a badge of honor.
The problem is you assume that physics worked the same back then as they do now. You have no proof that it did.

You can make experiments during the present, but you cannot make experiments in the past. You cannot say that apes evolved into humans because they have similar genes. You nor anyone else was there when it supposably happened to be certain it did happen.

Before the Flood there was a "canopy" of water that fill the atmosphere. It nevered rained before the Flood. When God sent the Flood, the water came down. It is not hard to explain.

Then why don't we see any of the species in between man and apes fossilized? http://www.livescience.com/474-controve ... works.html
And I know there are many species that can interbreed. But in the example of the liger, ligers cannot breed themselves. It's a deadend. It doesn't matter that species can interbreed unless the interbreed offspring can produce offspring of its own.

And still, I have not called you "hilariously ignorant", "insanely stupid", or any other adjective but you feel the need to do so to me.

Re: Question for Athiests

#95
Ok so I have been researching and have seen a question that athiests seem to never be able to answer. If there is an athiest out there that has an answer to this question I would love to hear it. Here is the question: If there is no God, then where did morality come from?
Can we get back on THIS topic please? Thanks.
Ok so I will rephrase the question: If humans discovered morality, then whats keeping you from following it?

Re: Question for Athiests

#96
The way you're phrasing the question makes it difficult to answer.

As others have already said, most people have varying opinions on what is right and what is wrong. You develop your own set of moral beliefs through experiences, knowledge provided to you, and from you learning the consequences of certain actions. Due to these different codes of conduct, laws have been developed to collectively create a far-reaching set of moral standards to encompass a group of people (such as a country).

I don't really see what point the OP is trying to bring forward to atheists. Are you specifically talking about Christianity, because besides there being varying sets of moral beliefs between people, this differentiation also exists within religions. Stepping away from the actual morality differences, we can examine how Christianity and Hinduism impact on what happens if you do something "bad". According to the Bible, doing something wrong is okay, as long as you pray to God, then you can be forgiven. However, in Hinduism, doing something wrong leads to something bad happening to you in your "after-life" (karma). So practically, you can do something bad and get away with it, as long as you pray to God, and this interferes with how moral standards are set up in the first place.

Regardless, I'm interested as to any clarification you can provide.
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Re: Question for Athiests

#97
Ok so I have been researching and have seen a question that athiests seem to never be able to answer. If there is an athiest out there that has an answer to this question I would love to hear it. Here is the question: If there is no God, then where did morality come from?
Can we get back on THIS topic please? Thanks.
Ok so I will rephrase the question: If humans discovered morality, then whats keeping you from following it?
Keeping me from following it? Is this the whole "atheists have no morality" argument, if so u just won a nobel prize in un-intelligent Americanism.

Re: Question for Athiests

#98
My point with the above is since the bible is obviously man made with no divine anything involved - which is beyond any doubt - then all morality comes from people.

Much of morality may actually be a product of evolution that helped out ancestors thrive in small groups. People who just went around killing and mistreating people either didn't live as long to breed or thier tribe did poorly compared to others. Over time some of this became bred into humans.

The rest is really a product of society and the zeitgeist of the times. Morality is for the most part fairly consistent. Outright murder of people without any justification is pretty universal.
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Re: Question for Athiests

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 8547583521

what is this a picture of?

And again I ask you, without using evolution and plate movement as your basis, because you cannot be sure of this because no one was there to witness it, why can't a worldwide flood happen?

And you still didn't answer the question. Why haven't we found fossils of half human half apes? If evolution is true then there must be plenty of fossils to go around.
Lmafo. You are hilariously ignorant. Physics works even if someone isn't around to witness it. What you going to argue that since no one actually witnesses the electrons and photons used to communicate your posts we don't know If they are real? Trying to say reality is dependent on being witnessed is insanely stuipd, implies a low intelligence and furthermore is demonstratably false. Eyewitnesses are the absolute worst kind of evidence the legal systems of the world are based on this it is a fact. Repeatable experimentation is the most reliable. How about without using your myth book as "evidence" you try and prove your case. Lmafo.

Even a child can see that there isn't enough water on the planet for a "world wide flood". Saying it magically appeared then disappeared is a sign you need to be under supervision and on meds.

There are plenty of part humans part "apes" as you are one of them. Lmao. Take a look in the mirror if you need "proof".

And there are many species that can interbreed just look it up. Humans and most other hominids, all that exist today, have become too different from thier common ancestor to have viable offspring. Then again I don't expect you understand even grade school topics.


I suggest you actually try learning instead of wearing your ignorance in reality as a badge of honor.
The problem is you assume that physics worked the same back then as they do now. You have no proof that it did.

You can make experiments during the present, but you cannot make experiments in the past. You cannot say that apes evolved into humans because they have similar genes. You nor anyone else was there when it supposably happened to be certain it did happen.

Before the Flood there was a "canopy" of water that fill the atmosphere. It nevered rained before the Flood. When God sent the Flood, the water came down. It is not hard to explain.

Then why don't we see any of the species in between man and apes fossilized? http://www.livescience.com/474-controve ... works.html
And I know there are many species that can interbreed. But in the example of the liger, ligers cannot breed themselves. It's a deadend. It doesn't matter that species can interbreed unless the interbreed offspring can produce offspring of its own.

And still, I have not called you "hilariously ignorant", "insanely stupid", or any other adjective but you feel the need to do so to me.

Canopy of water that magically was held there and magically disappeared? Lol keep going you are a source of entertainment.

Again man and modern hominids share a common ancestor man is not from apes. And yes we see many fossilized specimens. Why can't you accept you are probably 1-5% Neanderthal (ape)?

And I call you those things because they are factual statements. Your arguments are hilariously ignorant and insanely stupid. It's not much of an opinion at all. Blatently ignoring facts and evidence over unfounded myth is the crime you are guilty of. Look up the definitions of stupid and ignorant in the dictionary. See how they are pretty much a 100% match? Probably not but at least I tried.

Maybe I should add gullible to the list.
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