Celtic Heroes

What happens if two people with the required DKP want the same item?

the player who bids more dkp gets the loot.

you cant "bid" dkp

dkp determines your priority for an item

in our clan we get dkp for every raid boss. after each kill the players bid their dkp for the drops. the highest bid gets the drops. all unwanted drops go to bank and every player can buy them for a set amount of points.

Ail I'm totally not following your system. It still promotes point hoarding. I joined your clan and 3 months pass and i didnt bid on anything and finally a void mord helm drops. We both attended the same amount of bosses but u bid on a crap hrung helm of whatever. I hoarded my EP or whatever u call them and still get the item. It's still hoarding either way. The major difference i strongly dislike in your system is how first hrung rogue dmg attack brace drops... It would be bid high as hell as u dont see the rarity. A year passes to now it would be half that. How can u simply say a hrung dmg attack brace is the same points as something else or more or else. It would strictly be opinion.

On our server a void necro bow dropped. For dark weapons only those who do not have a dl wep can bid and it is a minimum of 1k now this void bow went into 12k points. That point hoarder got it but he was so active and didn't waste points buying everythjng he wanted and saw drop. If u blow points u blow them. I passed a shadow attack helm i wanted bcuz it went into 4k or close and at the time it was a large amount but at this point since none have dropped i wished i bought it. Every system has its flaws and will be cheated some how. But working in a clan together you should have the trust to know someone wont just be bidding to play with u.

Dkp is the system most used in mmo's but I found Suicide king to be also efective. Plus it is much more simple for everyone to understand than dkp. I would post a link with Ksk but Im not sure if Im allowed.

Ail I'm totally not following your system. It still promotes point hoarding. I joined your clan and 3 months pass and i didnt bid on anything and finally a void mord helm drops. We both attended the same amount of bosses but u bid on a crap hrung helm of whatever. I hoarded my EP or whatever u call them and still get the item. It's still hoarding either way. The major difference i strongly dislike in your system is how first hrung rogue dmg attack brace drops... It would be bid high as hell as u dont see the rarity. A year passes to now it would be half that. How can u simply say a hrung dmg attack brace is the same points as something else or more or else. It would strictly be opinion.

On our server a void necro bow dropped. For dark weapons only those who do not have a dl wep can bid and it is a minimum of 1k now this void bow went into 12k points. That point hoarder got it but he was so active and didn't waste points buying everythjng he wanted and saw drop. If u blow points u blow them. I passed a shadow attack helm i wanted bcuz it went into 4k or close and at the time it was a large amount but at this point since none have dropped i wished i bought it. Every system has its flaws and will be cheated some how. But working in a clan together you should have the trust to know someone wont just be bidding to play with u.

There is NO BIDDING in the morrigan run DKP system.

I don't see how the DKP system can be unfair. It depends on how active you are, and it also takes into consideration of how effective you are on a boss(I.E dps druid, fun but not effective). I know that Morrigan does it very well and my world does too.

Morrigan however, the clan members don't seem to know what going on. In Retribution there are officers keeping attendance and taking pictures.

For Dragonlord, and possibly DKP there are class captains, with excel sheets that take into consideration how high level you are above dl req/activeness and what you have. They use priority in DL, not sure about DKP.

You are required to be ten levels above the dl piece to obtain it, and now that most of the members have obtained their full dl it has plateaued, there are almost no lines and members which join, level, and show up to bosses can obtain full dl in a matter of weeks. There were times when depending on how many of each class you had to be even a higher level to obtain dl, for example the overpopulation of Rogues caused long lines for that class so the req was increased.

When there are two top clans, there is usually the difference of the hack-and-slash but powerful one, and the organised strict and powerful one. People are usually more attracted to the more serious ones.

Ail I'm totally not following your system. It still promotes point hoarding. I joined your clan and 3 months pass and i didnt bid on anything and finally a void mord helm drops. We both attended the same amount of bosses but u bid on a crap hrung helm of whatever. I hoarded my EP or whatever u call them and still get the item. It's still hoarding either way. The major difference i strongly dislike in your system is how first hrung rogue dmg attack brace drops... It would be bid high as hell as u dont see the rarity. A year passes to now it would be half that. How can u simply say a hrung dmg attack brace is the same points as something else or more or else. It would strictly be opinion.

Yes, that happens. In every dkp system in existence, if someone refuses to spend points and waits long enough - and they are active as the rest of the other players - then they will eventually be on top of the standings and can get whatever they want. I think it's still fair to give someone as active who hasn't gotten anything yet to eventually get first pick. We don't do any bidding btw, I'm not sure I understand your point about the first attack bracer would have a high bid price. (?).

BUT....remember we have points decay. There will come a time when the points decay overtakes your points earned. Here is an example for me:
I haven't taken a Hrungnir drop since Feb 2014, so I've been accumulating a lot of points (having 100% Hrungnir attendance). We earn 80 points per Hrungnir raid, but as you can see, my points drop over 90 points. Thus I'm losing points every raid so it would be smarter for me to spend my points on something, otherwise, I'll just continue to bleed points and others will eventually catch up to me.

Also remember, points decay also applies to Gear. Thus whatever you spent on gear 6 months ago would have decayed to almost nothing, so your priority goes up as you earn more EP and would return to original levels. Compared to a person who hasn't taken anything in 6 months, and assuming you have the same amount of EP, your priority will be equal again.

Morrigan however, the clan members don't seem to know what going on. In Retribution there are officers keeping attendance and taking pictures.

Lol, where did you get this? Just because Pigman was inaccurate in how PR was calculated and leaves it up to the system, doesn't mean they don't know how officers take screenshots to get attendance. We have screenshots of attendance in EVERY raid. Snorri, Rockhide, Athach's Spawn, Natan, you name it.... I can even tell you exactly how many Prince Corvax bosses I've killed

Ail I'm totally not following your system. It still promotes point hoarding. I joined your clan and 3 months pass and i didnt bid on anything and finally a void mord helm drops. We both attended the same amount of bosses but u bid on a crap hrung helm of whatever. I hoarded my EP or whatever u call them and still get the item. It's still hoarding either way. The major difference i strongly dislike in your system is how first hrung rogue dmg attack brace drops... It would be bid high as hell as u dont see the rarity. A year passes to now it would be half that. How can u simply say a hrung dmg attack brace is the same points as something else or more or else. It would strictly be opinion.

On our server a void necro bow dropped. For dark weapons only those who do not have a dl wep can bid and it is a minimum of 1k now this void bow went into 12k points. That point hoarder got it but he was so active and didn't waste points buying everythjng he wanted and saw drop. If u blow points u blow them. I passed a shadow attack helm i wanted bcuz it went into 4k or close and at the time it was a large amount but at this point since none have dropped i wished i bought it. Every system has its flaws and will be cheated some how. But working in a clan together you should have the trust to know someone wont just be bidding to play with u.

There is NO BIDDING in the morrigan run DKP system.

Your arguing a stupid point place a bid,or option to buy, inquire, ask for, whatever word u want to call it its all the same.

Ail, the point i was questioning was u said each drop has a set price on it correct? If so then the following i ask...

Who decides the prices? And how does it fluctuate once better gear arises such as when necro encounter was introduced?

Next, items imo are usually purchased at a higher price (in a true dkp system) at the beginning encounters and slowly dwindle as time passes. Ex. Ranger aggy bracelets in last update were sought after, beginning of this update slightly less and now their mostly for alts. How does your system take into account the dropping of point cost over time?

Ail I'm totally not following your system. It still promotes point hoarding. I joined your clan and 3 months pass and i didnt bid on anything and finally a void mord helm drops. We both attended the same amount of bosses but u bid on a crap hrung helm of whatever. I hoarded my EP or whatever u call them and still get the item. It's still hoarding either way. The major difference i strongly dislike in your system is how first hrung rogue dmg attack brace drops... It would be bid high as hell as u dont see the rarity. A year passes to now it would be half that. How can u simply say a hrung dmg attack brace is the same points as something else or more or else. It would strictly be opinion.

On our server a void necro bow dropped. For dark weapons only those who do not have a dl wep can bid and it is a minimum of 1k now this void bow went into 12k points. That point hoarder got it but he was so active and didn't waste points buying everythjng he wanted and saw drop. If u blow points u blow them. I passed a shadow attack helm i wanted bcuz it went into 4k or close and at the time it was a large amount but at this point since none have dropped i wished i bought it. Every system has its flaws and will be cheated some how. But working in a clan together you should have the trust to know someone wont just be bidding to play with u.

There is NO BIDDING in the morrigan run DKP system.

Your arguing a stupid point place a bid,or option to buy, inquire, ask for, whatever word u want to call it its all the same.

How is stating what my clan does a "stupid point" ? You not being able to differentiate between bidding and earning is pretty "stupid"

Ail, the point i was questioning was u said each drop has a set price on it correct? If so then the following i ask...

Who decides the prices? And how does it fluctuate once better gear arises such as when necro encounter was introduced?

Next, items imo are usually purchased at a higher price (in a true dkp system) at the beginning encounters and slowly dwindle as time passes. Ex. Ranger aggy bracelets in last update were sought after, beginning of this update slightly less and now their mostly for alts. How does your system take into account the dropping of point cost over time?

We have a different pool for each boss. Aggragoth bracers are still worth the same points since 2012. It doesnt affect your Mordris priority if you take an Aggy bracer, only the Aggy priority goes down. Also, the Aggragoth pool isnt as important these days like before since people are more concerned with the Mordris and Necro dkp pools, item prices can remain constant and it doesnt matter. Eventually Aggy pool will be abolished whenever we decide to stop killing him regularly, when that time comes we would just roll for the loot if we dont care anymore who it goes to.

As for item prices, i implemented a Gear Point system that assigns points for each stat, so 100 str is worth 50 pts and 1000 hp is worth 100 pts and 1000 energy is worth 25 pts, so a Mordris helm with 100 str, 1000 hp and energy is worth 175 pts for example. 100 Poison dmg is worth, say, 100 pts so a 100 poison, 1000 hp and energy helm is worth more at 225 points. (These are just simplified examples and are not totally accurate as we charge points for evasions as well)

A true dkp system distributes loot fairly based on effort and ensures the most active ones get more loot than the less active ones. Your void bow example gave the guy an uber item, but he blew all his points on one item. I dont claim to know all his gear but one void bow wouldnt make that ranger the best ranger in clan even though he had garnered most points. Bidding/Auction systems are never fair.