Celtic Heroes

Chelsea i dont understand your comment about necro and rangers. Rangers get kills 50/50 on all bosses. There's a certain aspect about rangers that makes them very balanced in end game.

SoulRanger, I assume you're an end game ranger or know a few that get the 50/50 kills on bosses.

if so, are they using their skills or are they just str/auto rangers getting the kills? The issue I see with ranger skills atm, if you go overload on dex to utilize skills, your autos suck bawlz. If you go strength heavy, the few dex skills suck.

Playing at lvl 140 as a ranger, I'm more auto than anything... I use Sharpen, Sharp Shot (only because I have Anc. beastbone gloves and Royal ring) Steady, Light Heal and the rest in Rapid.

Longshot should lose the range requirement, change the name to something like - Armor Ignore - Instead of pinning the target, it just ignores X amount of that target's armor for one shot.

Explosive Arrow needs major revamping...It doesn't need to be as powerful as a mages Firestorm, both AoE skills, but for the amount of energy it takes, it sure does suck.

Sharp Shot - Gets evaded way too much and shouldn't need extra damage increasing pieces to make it hit more than autos.

My dex/str are fairly similar, but I find myself autoing more because Sharp, even with added bonus of Royal ring and 350 from gloves, still fluctuates to hits equating to less than autos or only a couple hundred above. Pretty lame for investing 30 points into it.

Chelsea i dont understand your comment about necro and rangers. Rangers get kills 50/50 on all bosses. There's a certain aspect about rangers that makes them very balanced in end game.

Did I say they suck at bosses? 0.o


I said we need more rangers for necro, they may be balanced in-game, but who wants to wait for the flippin' end-game??? They may hear from other rangers that its worth it but they have to make it there first.

I said we need more rangers for necro, they may be balanced in-game, but who wants to wait for the flippin' end-game??? They may hear from other rangers that its worth it but they have to make it there first.

This...end-game rangers are great and all, with DL, Bow/Quiver I've heard it's a lot more enjoyable... it's the getting there that needs fixed.

How many end-game rangers go STR and are mainly auto attackers with bolas/heal thrown in here and there? How many actually use other skills for end-game? From what I've seen, quite a few resort to being STR builds with mainly auto attacks because it's better DPS. Pretty sad when you have a class that in end-game, only uses maybe one actual DPS skill that isn't Sharpen/Steady. Getting to end-game, with DL armor is a little painstaking because the skills we "get" to use in between aren't quite up to par.

It's not a str or dex ranger its a matter of stats. Your fixated on certain things that just dont matter. Now this doesn't mean the class doesn't need a lot fixing but if those fixes went in imo they would be the top dps class my a wide margin id expect.

Prior to dl I'd say they are even. If u got the plat sure a rogue will level faster but who wants to fly thru pots i have both and didn't pot spam ever. My ranger i personally used almost no plat most times not even a regen lix or pot.

After dl armor things become off bcuz rogues take advantage in te speed from the set. But once oh are included tables are even. We bola kill dl bosses and even the rangers bolasing and moving sometimes get kills in my hybrid boss build.

Rangers need some balance in some aspects but there's a small niche for dps rangers and u have to find out.

And about the ranger necro comment... If i had the same count on dl weapons and oh. I'd take full rangers for dps or rogues. We can kill necro with 0 rangers 10 rogues or 1 rogue (expose smoke) and 9 rangers. Either combo will work the same. Dont know why rangers would make a difference if u think it does your doing something wrong.

It's not a str or dex ranger its a matter of stats. Your fixated on certain things that just dont matter

So it's a matter of stats... but not str/dex? You must be a focus/vit ranger then...

How does being fixated on craptastic skills not matter? That's the biggest complaint about rangers in general!

As a mid-level ranger (140) I can tell you my experience... I've tried a few different builds/stats.

Sadly, the most effective build right now is almost pure auto. I use Sharpen, Sharp Shot (Royal Ring/Anc. Vambraces makes this bearable), Steady Aim, Light Heal, 20+ Rapid Shot (good for starting off a lix/bossing without lix).

Using Earth tali, adam bow (still trying to find a deal on wyrm), +6 crush brace (I know pierce is ideal), Aggy brace of Barbed Shot (75 dex, 250 ranged) Full frozen with ancient beastbone gloves for the Sharp damage, two +40 fire damage rings, hate ring, Royal Sharp Shot ring, +20 fire damage sunfire charm.

Str - 305, Dex 355, Vit 280. 2064 HP, 464 Energy, 2494 attack, 710 defense, 1058 damage, 417 armor.

When leveling I use haste/sk/hp regen. Autos range anywheres from 300-475ish top end. Sharp Shot ranges anywhere from 400-900, often times it gets evaded. I auto more than anything, with a SS thrown in here and there. I prefer leveling with my lure mage because without, it takes a lot longer to kill and my damage goes down quite a bit. I gain an additional 250+ dmg on average per auto hit this way.

The thing that makes the mid game ranger suck is the lack of good skills to use. Besides Sharpen, Steady, Light Heal which should be staple skills for any ranger... the rest don't quite have a place on a leveling build due to lack of goodness. Sure they might be better in a group setting, but then you're also limiting yourself to only group leveling.

Here's a rundown of why I think that mid game ranger skills need a revamp:

Longshot - Unless you BOLA (who uses this when lvling?), or are in a group where you aren't the main attraction, a one shot semi-hard hit isn't worth the points investment.
Explosive Arrow - C'mon... HIGH energy cost and not very effective.
Barbed Shot - Slow cast time, DoT could be better
Conceal/Camo - ......... ...... ....... .... ......yea.
Defensive Spikes - I've ONLY used this while using a spear build AND having Assassin's Lure up. Even at 35/30 on the same level mob it does like 20-40 dmg. W/Lure It hits 100+ top end.
Double Shot - Kinda pointless while on a haste lix due to cast time.
Sharp Shot - Gets evaded quite a bit, damage fluctuates a LOT. Quick recast, fast cast.
Entangle - Used it only while being a spear build and only used it on 3* or greater mobs or PvP... the recast is suuuuuupppppppeeeerrrr sssslllllloooooowwwww.

Longshot is great up until level 100ish because with a Royal/Grand ring, you can take a HUGE chunk of health from one shot which makes it viable at lower levels. As a mid-level ranger I find very few of these skills useful. I'm going to try adding in Barbed Shot in my build since I have a brace now, working on getting a ring, to see if it fairs any better.

DL armor is nice as it adds extra elemental damage and free skill points. The problem is, getting from 100-150 while using mediocre skills. At 110 I switched to an Aggy spear and used that until 130+ because I wasn't happy with the skills of a bow. Funny thing is, when I was a spear build I won more duels than with a bow. End-game is a lot different than mid-game rangers. Builds are more boss oriented, Longshot becomes viable again as you're not the main target. I've thought about quitting my ranger probably 9+ different times only to come back to pushing through only because they're needed on my world AND DL will be easier due to less rangers.

I dont understand why your complaining at your leveling could a 3* before it touched me without moving. I dont see how theres any room to complain and that was with a few skills. You need to reevaluate your build and tactics. And no there's more than just str or dex for stats and i am not suggesting focus or vit. My vitality is around 100 i believe.

I assume you leveled with Longshot + Bolas in order for the 3* not to touch you and moved around the room. That being said, I find it a waste of DPS while on a lix/haste to wait for bolas cast time. What happens when your Longshot/Bolas fail? Two of your skills are now a moot point. Can't use LS anymore because the 3* mob is on top of you. Try to cast Bolas, which wastes valuable DPS as you get interrupted various times, and then have to run far enough away from the mob to make bolas worthwhile and to use LS again.

Fighting solo in Boggan caves, Bolas/LS doesn't work so well. Not much room to be kiting around considering most mobs are close enough to one another that even shooting one from a distance will pull the mob nearby as well.

How is there anything more than just STR/DEX/VIT for a ranger?

And no there's more than just str or dex for stats

As far as I'm aware the only options for rangers are... Go tanky with lots of Vit and your skills/auto damage suffer but you survive longer. Go DEX with some STR so that your skills hit harder, but your autos suck. Go majority STR with some DEX to be more of an auto ranger or go a mix of STR/DEX and be somewhat good at either.

There's plenty of room to complain here. Maybe when you were my level, the game was a bit different...There's plenty of ranger skills that are underpowered or near useless without having Hrung/Mordy drops to augment the ability.

Use Sharp Shot w/out any skill rings/Hrung helm and tell me if you would use it for leveling... a skill that sometimes hits for less than autos. Why invest if it's the same as auto at times?
Use Explosive Arrow w/out any skill rings/boss drops and tell me it's a worthwhile skill.
Use Barbed Shot w/out rings and tell me it's a good DPS skill.
Use Entangle and tell me that it's worthwhile (not for bossing)
Use Defensive Spikes w/out rings/lures and tell me it's "good".
Use Conceal... and then realize it sucks and is a waste of skill points and re-alt.
Use Camo... then realize that it's duration is too short and takes up valuable DPS time.
Use Longshot on a melee mob at range, then realize that you can't use that skill anymore on that mob, or the next mob that comes within melee range.
Use Bolas, have it fail, then realize there's nowhere to run because the cave is too crowded with mobs.

Without good boss drops, a lot of these skills are flat out weak.

Just for kicks and giggles. Switch out your DL armor (for Frozen/Ancient Beastbone), boss dropped bracelets/riftskull bracelets, skill enhancing rings etc... strap on a level 160 bow (I assume you're high enough and have DL/Bow) and then try and go level and tell me these skills are still "good". If I didn't have a Royal SharpShot ring and Anc. Beastbone gloves, I wouldn't use the skill.

Somber, stop repeating the same thing over and over, we all know the skills are in the pit, SoulRanger doesn't understand this. Your build makes sense for what you have since you use haste and xp lix on your ranger, longshot would def slow you down.

@Soulranger Sure its cheaper, but I rather spend as much as I have for my rogue to get the same xp and enjoyment out of it. All that matters isn't DL, even at that point, rogues with an offhand are OP just as rangers with an offhand. They need to make rangers more powerful, even if that means making them cost as much as every other class - its not fair for people who want to use a bow but are rejected by crap skills.

So.... 80% of the time I play my ranger and it all comes down to dl is what you're saying.

Prior to dl your role is what it is a solo class that is its intent and purpose if you can't understand that then you need to pick a new class.

After dl armor is on a rogue takes a small advantage from the added elements and their speed in attack once weapons and oh are in a ranger can get kills easily.

Ranger skills suck for the most part but have their niche i have leveled one and have full dl. That's where they need improvement and imo if they improve them the ranger class will surpass rogues equally equipped.

There's more to a build than str dex vit foc. Look at your abilities your attack dmg defence armor etc. If u only see half a screen on stats no wonder your build is terrible. On my rogue is full equipped in oh i get ks by rangers aswell some times. Your rangers need to reevaluate their stats period.